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Let's Fix Elemental Defense - 20 Supporters - Fixed Formula

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Stag2001, Feb 25, 2017.

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Should they add this?

  1. Yes! +1

    27 vote(s)
    81.8%
  2. No. (tell me why) +0

    6 vote(s)
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  1. Paradoxical

    Paradoxical Machina Infinitum VIP

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    That's a creative way to put it...
     
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  2. Cosomos

    Cosomos Well-Known Adventurer

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    you have ID's on the outside currently, I would be more favorable towards switching the places of DPS and ID's in your suggestion to be like this:
    (base damage roll x ids x powder damage boosts - elemental defense) x spell multiplier x attack multiplier
    That is just my opinion and I am neutral on this suggested change.
     
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  3. Stag2001

    Stag2001 360 mlg hipster cat CHAMPION

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    I'm pretty sure id's are outside of that. @motoki1 do you know?
     
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    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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  5. Stag2001

    Stag2001 360 mlg hipster cat CHAMPION

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    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    So... did you get it?
    Edit your main post please :c
     
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  7. Th0mas1

    Th0mas1 Gamer CHAMPION

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    wait, what about weapons, which have slow/very slow/super slow- attackspeeds, but your other gear gives +attackspeed. Is that also bad, or is that op? I allreaddy knew that elemental defence was kinda op, but I'm not sure i get the hole attackspeed thingy.

    For an example, alkatraz + cancer. would that be super good because of the base damage beeing high, or would it become worse because of the added attackspeed?
     
  8. Stag2001

    Stag2001 360 mlg hipster cat CHAMPION

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    Pretty sure they will take the original attack tier for the spell formula, and cancer has like -125% base melee and spell :)
     
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    Th0mas1 Gamer CHAMPION

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    Its -98%, btw I used the Wynncraft damage calculater <-- ( Super cool ) and the spell damage goes pretty insane if you add attack tier, but it does not have any option, to add attacktier, after spell damage is calculated.

    I also only have 1 cancer to test the added attacktier with ingame, but i dont know if it would be accurate, since of the dex bonus thing, and the -spell damage. I dont have any other items to test with, I hope that it works prior to spell calculation, because if not some items wont really work at all, with some builds anymore, for example breezehands.
     
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  10. Stag2001

    Stag2001 360 mlg hipster cat CHAMPION

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    Well -98% is not base, thats the lowest you can get :) Also that calculator is pretty outdated, since +attack tier id no longer affects spell damage :D
     
  11. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    To tell you the truth, you're 6 months behind us. :c
    https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/1-14-1-the-gameplay-update-changelog.146262/
    (Refer the "Bug Fixes")
    You might have expected that the ID +attack speed affects your damage, but it doesn't.
    Over 6 months ago, there was a big problem many people abusing that it actually boosted the damage. (including me)
    So anyway, don't worry, +tier or -tier of ID won't boost or reduce your damage. If you're using Cancer, -Spell % or -Melee % would still affect your damage though.
    How dare you
     
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  12. Chun_

    Chun_ Any broken builds founder,nerfed by Salted VIP+

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    hehehe
     
  13. Th0mas1

    Th0mas1 Gamer CHAMPION

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    ok thx, but uhhm could you then update the calculator, that would be awesome, so I (and other people) dont end up making really bad builds...

    btw the calculator is pretty dope though, even though it aint 100% correct.
     
  14. motoki1

    motoki1 The Damage Calculation Scientist HERO

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    I know the damage is not 100% accurate, but how is it outdated?
    As I explained, if you have +tier or -tier ID, it only affects on your Melee attack speed.
    So you can (have to) ignore that ID when you use the damage calculator.
     
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    Th0mas1 Gamer CHAMPION

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    Oh ok thx
     
  16. Stag2001

    Stag2001 360 mlg hipster cat CHAMPION

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    This deserves another bump
     
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  18. C2HWarrior

    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    show this support kek
     
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