World Defense & Agility Rebalance(nets More Tankyness, Now Includes Elemental Defense),

Cosomos · Feb 26, 2017

I added the Simplified Summary to the Main Post

Pokextreme · Feb 27, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

I added the Simplified Summary to the Main Post
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Dohdo · Feb 27, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

Damage Reduction Multiplier:

A
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C+D+A+B-3
That is the equation that would allow all the types damage reduction to work with each other without them buffing eachothers buffs. Now for the rest of the thread I will explain what each variable is, why the damage reductions should not effect eachother, and what how this would effect how tanky you are.
0: Simplified Summary
The main point of this post is to make Agility and Defense have an equal effect on all types of damage you take. This also includes the Class Defense and the Vanish/War Scream damage reductions, and making them help reduce all types of damage too.

There are more specifications and minor changes(for the sake of this purpose) in Section 3

Now the reason I made such a complicated formula is to stop Agility and Defense from snowballing into an immortal warrior that can take x39.0625 more damage then normal. That I believe would be too much and insane for someone to have that kind of damage reduction.

As we all know if you take 75% less damage that means you can take x4 more damage. Another way of saying that is saying you can take +300% more damage. What this formula does is add up these percentages of extra damage you can take and will reduce the incoming damage by that amount.

There is one type of exception to this because of how Agility works. In order to make Agility "behave", I had to have put Agility to the top of the fraction. I really won't go into confusing details, but the main thing to take away is that it still works like it does now and will still work with the other defenses in the way I want it to.

This is a Small Example Table shows what results you will get in terms of how much more damage you can take with certain Agility and Defense percentages. Your Agility percentage is the left column of percentages and your Defense percentage is the top row of percentages.
Ignore the dots they are fillers for the space, if I used normal spaces then they would get deleted.

A\D 0% 50% 66% 75% 80% .
. 0%. x1 . x2 .. x3 .. x4 .. x5 . .
50%. x2 . x3 .. x4 .. x5 .. x6 . .
66%. x3 . x4 .. x5 .. x6 .. x7 . .
75%. x4 . x5 .. x6 .. x7 .. x8 . .
80%. x5 . x6 .. x7 .. x8 .. x9 . .

As you can see you will always be able to take more damage as your Agility and Defense increases, and it does not spiral out of control into being able to take x25 the damage. Also their is your Class Defense and defensive buffs from spells to factor in, but I left them out to avoid unnecessary confusion

1: Variable Descriptions
How I look at any type of damage reduction is the amount of damage you I take, 1-Defense%, and then flip the fraction, 1/(1-Defense%). The result I get I then multiply by my max health and then I get what my max health really is like.
Say I have 80% damage reduction-> only takes 20% damage-> effectively I have x5 the health. However because each health point I have is worth x5 more, that means each health point I regen is worth x5. With Agility and Defense at 80% that then will snowball into x25 the heath and x25 times the regen. Then if you add anymore damage reduction buffs they will have their effects be multiplied by 25 aswell.
That is why I made this formula so that instead of x5 the health you would get +400% of your base health, and each damage reduction will add it's own portion of effective health. With 80% Agility and Defense what you end up with is 100%+400%+400%= x9 the base health and regen. Still considering Defense's current way of reducing damage it would be an upgrade, and Agility users should see no difference. I also added room for Class Defense and Buffs from certain spells.
D=1/(1-Defense%)
Just to make the formula look better I made the variables contain the confusing parts
A=1/(1-Agility%)
Basically the only way to make Agility not buff everything was to have the Damage Reduction Multiplier was to multiply the damage taken(more damage) by the effective amount of damage reduced.
C=1/(2-Class Defense)
Warrior:120
Assassin:100
Mage:80
Archer:60
B=1/(1-Modified Potion Effect)
So War Scream will be -15%/-15%/-20% damage and Vanish will be 0%/-15%/-15% damage

2: Current Defense System
I would like to thank @motoki1 did alot of testing and calculations to find this result:

What this shows is the damage Defense reduces is not even close to the damage Agility reduces.
Because Agility will block all damage when it activates and in these formulas Defense only subtracts from the damage buffs a player has. That means unless the player who is attacking has zero% or less damage buffs(including the element buffs from skill points), then Defense of defending player would be worse then Agility.

Now if it was zero by some chance, it would reduce the damage before elemental defense would kick in, technically making positive elemental defense more powerful by a Multiple of "D" by reducing the damage by a factor of "D"(that alone is par with Agility). Either way this this does not count Elemental Damage, Raw damage, or Poison damage that Agility has a chance to block(it can negate the attack that poisons you). So either way there is some good and bad things of what defense can block, and it is never worthless it only becomes not as effective as agility in most cases. I have my own opinions about balancing Poison, Cactus, and Raw Damage, but I will save that for another thread.

Typo caused alot of unnecessary calculations
Now let's say you have 75% Defense with 1k Elemental Defense and are taking a 2K base elemental damage melee hit, from someone with 100% extra damage(4K total). What this means is that your Elemental Defense would be +60% more effective in this case and you would end up taking half the damage with the defense then you would have without it. Now if you had 75% agility you would have not even taken damage 75% of the time so in this case Agility is twice as effective in blocking damage then with Defense. But that is with a super slow level base damage(Stinger). Now lets say we are using 1K base elemental damage with everything else the same then you would only take 25% of the damage which would be on par with Agility. If we then use only a 800 base element damage weapon you will take 0% elemental damage. The formula I used is:

Base Damage*Defense%
1 - --------------------------------------------------------
(Base Damage*Stats)-Elemental Defense
It seems like Defense itself heavily relies on Elemental Defense in order to stay relevant to Agility, which I was surprised to see when calculating it. Although it does make sense now why it is like that now, it still puts alot of pressure on getting high elemental defense, when Agility does not need to worry anything to protect you from damage. However for some reason, as shown on the How Damage is Calculated thread, it is almost always inferior in neutral damage and it does nothing against raw damage types. Even with that interesting find about how it works better with elemental defense, it is still not as good as Agility. That is why I why I suggested to change Defense's effect in damage calculation. Also +100% more damage for Elemental Damage would be on the low end.

3: Summary of Smaller Changes & Effects on Tankyness
Hear is a list of Minor changes and specifications:
-My Damage Reduction Multiplier be use after all damage has been calculated(after Elemental Defense, Spell/DPS/Powders, and Raw) and nothing is immune(Cactus, Poison, Elemental, Neutral, and Raw are all effected)
*Maybe Class Defense and War Scream/Vanish Damage Reductions do not need to count for certain types(specify which ones if you agree)

-Agility's dodge counting as being hit so Health regen will be stopped like it normally would
*Also Life and Mana Steal having the chance to activate even if the attack is dodged, if it does not already

-Cactus damage becomes dodgeable and will not activate from dodged damage and will use the damage inflicted after my Damage Reduction Multiplier has been applied(Meaning both the Attackers and Defenders defenses will reduce Cactus damage)

- Poison only being Transmitted on a Melee Attack that was not dodged(this would block Multiple hitting spells from making agility useless)
*Another possibility would be to have poison only have one chance to activate per spell, if that is too harsh

All and all Agility users should not get much of a change, and Defense users for the most part should experience more tankyness and an easier time not dying. Also the maximum Damage Reduction Multiplier would be 1/9.5 with a Warrior with War Scream and 80% Agility and Defense

4: Good ideas that I agree to disagree with

Now I do like this idea, but already Cactus has taken a good hit in it's damage by it being negatively effected by both Attackers and Defenders. Lets say 2 players are fighting and they both have 50% Agility and Defense, that would mean the total damage taken would be already be at 1/9 of the initial damage(before it would be 1/2). If you where to then have Elemental Defense apply to that it could drastically reduce your the "elemental cactus damage" your suggesting??? More often then not players have good elemental defense to the damage they deal. So to make sure this does not go overboard in reducing cactus damage I will have to disagree.

Honestly, it makes sense, it could work, and would only need a little of nerfing/buffing. But I really just want straight up equality between Defense and Agility. It could easy enough be balanced to work, with only a few small tweaks to values, but I really want absolute consistency between Defense and Agility. I still do like that idea.
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holy shit

Pokextreme · Feb 27, 2017

DohdoEXE said: ↑

holy shit
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That about sums it up

Pokextreme · Mar 1, 2017

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Cosomos · Mar 15, 2017

I was thinking about this and was wondering if agility and defense should effect debuffs, knock back, and pulls?

I waited so long because it would drastically effect PvP, and I was not sure if it would be appropriate to suggest on this thread.

It would be effected by the Damage Reduction Multiplier and Agility. So at 75% Agility and 80% Defense, you would have a 25% chance to get hit and then take 50% of the damage and the debuffs duration/Knockback/Pull if you get hit.

Cosomos · Mar 22, 2017

I still want feedback on my last comment. Should Defense and Agility effect Kb and Effects?

Pokextreme · Mar 22, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

I was thinking about this and was wondering if agility and defense should effect debuffs, knock back, and pulls?

I waited so long because it would drastically effect PvP, and I was not sure if it would be appropriate to suggest on this thread.

It would be effected by the Damage Reduction Multiplier and Agility. So at 75% Agility and 80% Defense, you would have a 25% chance to get hit and then take 50% of the damage and the debuffs duration/Knockback/Pull if you get hit.
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Dodging should make you immune to damage knock back, but you can't really dodge push/pull spells. Defence is the opposite

motoki1 · Mar 22, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

It would be effected by the Damage Reduction Multiplier and Agility. So at 75% Agility and 80% Defense, you would have a 25% chance to get hit and then take 50% of the damage and the debuffs duration/Knockback/Pull if you get hit.
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Pokextreme said: ↑

Dodging should make you immune to damage knock back
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Yea, from the point of realistic, you should take less knockback as much as you reduce the damage with Defense skill.

JaydonTheWarrior · Mar 22, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

Damage Reduction Multiplier:

A
-----------------
C+D+A+B-3
That is the equation that would allow all the types damage reduction to work with each other without them buffing eachothers buffs. Now for the rest of the thread I will explain what each variable is, why the damage reductions should not effect eachother, and what how this would effect how tanky you are.
0: Simplified Summary
The main point of this post is to make Agility and Defense have an equal effect on all types of damage you take. This also includes the Class Defense and the Vanish/War Scream damage reductions, and making them help reduce all types of damage too.

There are more specifications and minor changes(for the sake of this purpose) in Section 3

Now the reason I made such a complicated formula is to stop Agility and Defense from snowballing into an immortal warrior that can take x39.0625 more damage then normal. That I believe would be too much and insane for someone to have that kind of damage reduction.

As we all know if you take 75% less damage that means you can take x4 more damage. Another way of saying that is saying you can take +300% more damage. What this formula does is add up these percentages of extra damage you can take and will reduce the incoming damage by that amount.

There is one type of exception to this because of how Agility works. In order to make Agility "behave", I had to have put Agility to the top of the fraction. I really won't go into confusing details, but the main thing to take away is that it still works like it does now and will still work with the other defenses in the way I want it to.

This is a Small Example Table shows what results you will get in terms of how much more damage you can take with certain Agility and Defense percentages. Your Agility percentage is the left column of percentages and your Defense percentage is the top row of percentages.
Ignore the dots they are fillers for the space, if I used normal spaces then they would get deleted.

A\D 0% 50% 66% 75% 80% .
. 0%. x1 . x2 .. x3 .. x4 .. x5 . .
50%. x2 . x3 .. x4 .. x5 .. x6 . .
66%. x3 . x4 .. x5 .. x6 .. x7 . .
75%. x4 . x5 .. x6 .. x7 .. x8 . .
80%. x5 . x6 .. x7 .. x8 .. x9 . .

As you can see you will always be able to take more damage as your Agility and Defense increases, and it does not spiral out of control into being able to take x25 the damage. Also their is your Class Defense and defensive buffs from spells to factor in, but I left them out to avoid unnecessary confusion

1: Variable Descriptions
How I look at any type of damage reduction is the amount of damage you I take, 1-Defense%, and then flip the fraction, 1/(1-Defense%). The result I get I then multiply by my max health and then I get what my max health really is like.
Say I have 80% damage reduction-> only takes 20% damage-> effectively I have x5 the health. However because each health point I have is worth x5 more, that means each health point I regen is worth x5. With Agility and Defense at 80% that then will snowball into x25 the heath and x25 times the regen. Then if you add anymore damage reduction buffs they will have their effects be multiplied by 25 aswell.
That is why I made this formula so that instead of x5 the health you would get +400% of your base health, and each damage reduction will add it's own portion of effective health. With 80% Agility and Defense what you end up with is 100%+400%+400%= x9 the base health and regen. Still considering Defense's current way of reducing damage it would be an upgrade, and Agility users should see no difference. I also added room for Class Defense and Buffs from certain spells.
D=1/(1-Defense%)
Just to make the formula look better I made the variables contain the confusing parts
A=1/(1-Agility%)
Basically the only way to make Agility not buff everything was to have the Damage Reduction Multiplier was to multiply the damage taken(more damage) by the effective amount of damage reduced.
C=1/(2-Class Defense)
Warrior:120
Assassin:100
Mage:80
Archer:60
B=1/(1-Modified Potion Effect)
So War Scream will be -15%/-15%/-20% damage and Vanish will be 0%/-15%/-15% damage

2: Current Defense System
I would like to thank @motoki1 did alot of testing and calculations to find this result:

What this shows is the damage Defense reduces is not even close to the damage Agility reduces.
Because Agility will block all damage when it activates and in these formulas Defense only subtracts from the damage buffs a player has. That means unless the player who is attacking has zero% or less damage buffs(including the element buffs from skill points), then Defense of defending player would be worse then Agility.

Now if it was zero by some chance, it would reduce the damage before elemental defense would kick in, technically making positive elemental defense more powerful by a Multiple of "D" by reducing the damage by a factor of "D"(that alone is par with Agility). Either way this this does not count Elemental Damage, Raw damage, or Poison damage that Agility has a chance to block(it can negate the attack that poisons you). So either way there is some good and bad things of what defense can block, and it is never worthless it only becomes not as effective as agility in most cases. I have my own opinions about balancing Poison, Cactus, and Raw Damage, but I will save that for another thread.

Typo caused alot of unnecessary calculations
Now let's say you have 75% Defense with 1k Elemental Defense and are taking a 2K base elemental damage melee hit, from someone with 100% extra damage(4K total). What this means is that your Elemental Defense would be +60% more effective in this case and you would end up taking half the damage with the defense then you would have without it. Now if you had 75% agility you would have not even taken damage 75% of the time so in this case Agility is twice as effective in blocking damage then with Defense. But that is with a super slow level base damage(Stinger). Now lets say we are using 1K base elemental damage with everything else the same then you would only take 25% of the damage which would be on par with Agility. If we then use only a 800 base element damage weapon you will take 0% elemental damage. The formula I used is:

Base Damage*Defense%
1 - --------------------------------------------------------
(Base Damage*Stats)-Elemental Defense
It seems like Defense itself heavily relies on Elemental Defense in order to stay relevant to Agility, which I was surprised to see when calculating it. Although it does make sense now why it is like that now, it still puts alot of pressure on getting high elemental defense, when Agility does not need to worry anything to protect you from damage. However for some reason, as shown on the How Damage is Calculated thread, it is almost always inferior in neutral damage and it does nothing against raw damage types. Even with that interesting find about how it works better with elemental defense, it is still not as good as Agility. That is why I why I suggested to change Defense's effect in damage calculation. Also +100% more damage for Elemental Damage would be on the low end.

3: Summary of Smaller Changes & Effects on Tankyness
Hear is a list of Minor changes and specifications:
-My Damage Reduction Multiplier be use after all damage has been calculated(after Elemental Defense, Spell/DPS/Powders, and Raw) and nothing is immune(Cactus, Poison, Elemental, Neutral, and Raw are all effected)
*Maybe Class Defense and War Scream/Vanish Damage Reductions do not need to count for certain types(specify which ones if you agree)

-Agility's dodge counting as being hit so Health regen will be stopped like it normally would
*Also Life and Mana Steal having the chance to activate even if the attack is dodged, if it does not already

-Cactus damage becomes dodgeable and will not activate from dodged damage and will use the damage inflicted after my Damage Reduction Multiplier has been applied(Meaning both the Attackers and Defenders defenses will reduce Cactus damage)

- Poison only being Transmitted on a Melee Attack that was not dodged(this would block Multiple hitting spells from making agility useless)
*Another possibility would be to have poison only have one chance to activate per spell, if that is too harsh

All and all Agility users should not get much of a change, and Defense users for the most part should experience more tankyness and an easier time not dying. Also the maximum Damage Reduction Multiplier would be 1/9.5 with a Warrior with War Scream and 80% Agility and Defense

4: Good ideas that I agree to disagree with

Now I do like this idea, but already Cactus has taken a good hit in it's damage by it being negatively effected by both Attackers and Defenders. Lets say 2 players are fighting and they both have 50% Agility and Defense, that would mean the total damage taken would be already be at 1/9 of the initial damage(before it would be 1/2). If you where to then have Elemental Defense apply to that it could drastically reduce your the "elemental cactus damage" your suggesting??? More often then not players have good elemental defense to the damage they deal. So to make sure this does not go overboard in reducing cactus damage I will have to disagree.

Honestly, it makes sense, it could work, and would only need a little of nerfing/buffing. But I really just want straight up equality between Defense and Agility. It could easy enough be balanced to work, with only a few small tweaks to values, but I really want absolute consistency between Defense and Agility. I still do like that idea.
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Tsukiyomi said: ↑

Monster rainbow tank with statue mage = op then, just saying
tons of def sp + rainbow elemental def + 12k meteor with endurance infinite buff. Plz do that AS YOU WISH, honestly I am waiting it
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Tsukiyomi said: ↑

if that damage can do 20k+(1 shot my statue tank mage) after ur def system works
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please understand, i didn't really read your post and i don't know if you pointed this out or not. it was simply to much to read, and considering i have a reading disorder, it was, confusing.
anyways as of rn def does not work in the way it was meant to be. The actual def skill was meant to block all incoming damages, elem and neutral anyways. however your elem def was meant to subtract from the total dmg you are taking, and not, as it does now, subtract from the base damage of a weapon. this would make elem tanks and def considerably more balanced and fair.

as for agi, i only got you wanted to debuff it? i didn't read how, but ok? have fun with that.

Cosomos · Mar 22, 2017

JaydonTheWarrior said: ↑

please understand, i didn't really read your post and i don't know if you pointed this out or not. it was simply to much to read, and considering i have a reading disorder, it was, confusing.
anyways as of rn def does not work in the way it was meant to be. The actual def skill was meant to block all incoming damages, elem and neutral anyways. however your elem def was meant to subtract from the total dmg you are taking, and not, as it does now, subtract from the base damage of a weapon. this would make elem tanks and def considerably more balanced and fair.

as for agi, i only got you wanted to debuff it? i didn't read how, but ok? have fun with that.
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No Agility is not getting nerfed it self, it is just not going work so well with a "fixed" Defense to snowball into and immortal if you where too make Defense as good as Agility. You would take 1/9th of the total damage with 80% def & 80% agi with my system, and without my system, if Defense was only "fixed" to be as good as Agility, you would take 1/25th of the total damage with the same stats. However because Defense is in such a bad state you really would not feel a nerf to having high agi&def, and maybe even feel like it is a slight buff to high agi&def.

I guess in the end you could look at it as a "fix/buff" Defense thread with all the math included

JaydonTheWarrior · Mar 23, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

No Agility is not getting nerfed it self, it is just not going work so well with a "fixed" Defense to snowball into and immortal if you where too make Defense as good as Agility. You would take 1/9th of the total damage with 80% def & 80% agi with my system, and without my system, if Defense was only "fixed" to be as good as Agility, you would take 1/25th of the total damage with the same stats. However because Defense is in such a bad state you really would not feel a nerf to having high agi&def, and maybe even feel like it is a slight buff to high agi&def.

I guess in the end you could look at it as a "fix/buff" Defense thread with all the math included
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This isn't what I meant but ok.
I was speaking of the way def was meant to be added.
As for agi do as you wish, I simply stating, def was meant to work differently then it does now.

Cosomos · Apr 19, 2017

I have been thinking more about Element Defense and why it is too strong and also why factoring in Attack Speed to it would hurt Slower Attack Speeds. The reason Slower Attack Speeds mater is that piecing Elemental Defense is one of the few things going for it.
I am still kicking around ideas, but you can expect some magic formula to make it all better soon enough.

JaydonTheWarrior · Apr 19, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

I have been thinking more about Element Defense and why it is too strong and also why factoring in Attack Speed to it would hurt Slower Attack Speeds. The reason Slower Attack Speeds mater is that piecing Elemental Defense is one of the few things going for it.
I am still kicking around ideas, but you can expect some magic formula to make it all better soon enough.
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i have already proposed one to a few gms.

Cosomos · Apr 19, 2017

JaydonTheWarrior said: ↑

i have already proposed one to a few gms.
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Yeah I guessed so, I know you are well versed in it. I have settled on that it if it uses the Attack Speed Multiplier it should use the original Attack Speed of the weapon(No Super Alkatraz).

JaydonTheWarrior · Apr 20, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

Yeah I guessed so, I know you are well versed in it. I have settled on that it if it uses the Attack Speed Multiplier it should use the original Attack Speed of the weapon(No Super Alkatraz).
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what in the world are you talking about, attack speed was fixed a very long time ago.

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Cosomos said: ↑

I have been thinking more about Element Defense and why it is too strong and also why factoring in Attack Speed to it would hurt Slower Attack Speeds. The reason Slower Attack Speeds mater is that piecing Elemental Defense is one of the few things going for it.
I am still kicking around ideas, but you can expect some magic formula to make it all better soon enough.
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also something else, slower weps have scaled base damage to do about the same amount compare alka and thunder. elem def is only broken because it goes by base damage, so slower weps have a huge advantage

Cosomos · Apr 20, 2017

JaydonTheWarrior said: ↑

what in the world are you talking about, attack speed was fixed a very long time ago.
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I am saying that If you use a Super Fast Alkatraz Build then factoring in the modified Attack Speed would be OP. So I said that it should use the weapon's original Attack Speed.

JaydonTheWarrior said: ↑

also something else, slower weps have scaled base damage to do about the same amount compare alka and thunder. elem def is only broken because it goes by base damage, so slower weps have a huge advantage
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I do not know if that is a bug or overly strong feature. So I want to preserve that to a degree.

JaydonTheWarrior · Apr 20, 2017

Cosomos said: ↑

I am saying that If you use a Super Fast Alkatraz Build then factoring in the modified Attack Speed would be OP. So I said that it should use the weapon's original Attack Speed.

I do not know if that is a bug or overly strong feature. So I want to preserve that to a degree.
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its a bug, and it already does.

Cosomos · Aug 30, 2017

I have decided on a simple change to Elemental Defense that I believe could entirely fix it's balance problem.
I am the OP, so I have the power revive my thread and not necro

Cosomos said: ↑

0: Simplified Summary
Also I suggested a change to Elemental Defense that cap it's effectiveness so that it will only reduce/add up to 50% of the damage you should have done. So at worst, you will have you elemental damage halved, and at best will do +50% more damage to an opponent with a weakness to an element

3: Changes to Elemental Defense
As it stands now Element Defense has a problem of completely nullifying the elemental damage of low base damage weapons. Many times it has been suggested to multiply the base damage by the Hits per Second of your weapon. However I believe another option is actually superior to this suggestion.

for Positive Defense:
if ElementalDamage-ElementalDefence<ElementalDamage/2, then use ElementalDamage/2
for Negative Defense: (-1*-1=+1, so it is still subtracting Elemental Defense)
if ElementalDamage-ElementalDefence>1.5*ElementalDamage, then use 1.5*ElementalDamage

This other option is to simply add a 50%(or so) cap on how much damage Elemental Defense can reduce/add your damage by. Meaning no mater how much Elemental Defense your opponent has you will always remove/add a minimum/maximum of half of each elements damage you should have done.
The problem with only adding HPS of a weapon is that it would not help rainbow weapons enough to make them usable. However adding a minimum damage for elemental damage would would help all weapons. Although Faster weapons with their lower base damage would still be more vulnerable to Elemental Defense, they already have a much higher base damage then slower weapons, it would not be far off to say Super Fast on average has around twice the DPS of Super Slow Weapons. Now how it would look like numerically and how it would effect negative Elemental Defense is:

Say you have a 300 Damage Super Fast Weapon, 500 Damage Normal Weapon, 1600 Damage Super Slow Weapon;
that you have a damage multiplier of 2.5 in total;
and that you are dealing only elemental damage against a target with 625 elemental defense in your element.

you would end up dealing 375/937.5/4125 damage to your opponent with my system
with HPS multiplier you would deal around ~600/~1250/~350(rip Super Slow)
but if that damage was spread over 2 elements my system would stay the same,
while the HPS would result in ~440/~940/~0(super rip)

That is why a HPS multiplier would really hurt slower speeds, because of their bad DPS. Also my suggestion would still let players/mobs deal a reasonable amount of damage no mater how much Elemental Defense they are up against.
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