Guilds Remove Rule 18 Or Enforce It +98

this is why this thread is going nowhere

 

yeah true, while guilds like Fox exist the war system won't be fun, all i'm gonna say.
bunch of kids who just couldn't give less of a shit about the other people that are playing the game.
cheers for ruining what little fun was left in war to begin with

 

once again not contributing anything

 

what is there to contribute? this thread was spawned because you people just ruin what little fun is left of guild wars and people want something done, but nothing will be done lol

 

yes exactly, so please tell me how you ranting about how garbage Fox is achieves anything

 

I do not know how to assert VnE under Hax, right from the beginning VnE attacked the Imp in Nesaak because they attacked us in Rymek then I received a message requesting a stop. But it was not enough then that the war reached the peak of a time when we attacked IBT and some other guild, after which we no longer have any disagreements, so it is still used to attack the enemy VA and we have our own list of enemies. Don't impose your thoughts on others.
And most of the people who started using the sub guild in this war were Fox if they didn't force us by using a lot of sub guilds to attack then camp in the territory and / guild attack to get it you can explain okay? Or is there a guild that attacks the territory and is owned by itself or because of Hax or the owner of that guild sub?

 

just an easy guild to call garbage honestly, especially after last night lol
whatever i'm done here anyway, nothing will be done with Rule 18, Fox will continue to abuse subguilds if they ever piss off the whole map and deserve to be wiped out again.
guild war system is a joke and Fox literally showed us all why yesterday, go home folks, nothing will change. peace

 

I was literally there at the time… I even saw you moving between jungle territories, and I said hi to you, only to be ignored — every time. I've claimed multiple times by now that the logs back me up on this: VnE, usually consisting of you and one other warrer, would constantly attack Avicia in the jungle and feed back to Hax.

I accept what you have to say about any other guild affiliations.

As you continue with that reply it gets difficult to understand fully but I agree with everything I'm making sense of. Yes, Fox began using subs in this war; to claim otherwise would be to contradict everyone else in this thread and such a claim can be objectively disproven. I don't see anything I need to explain.

 

Personally I think that it's unfair that I can't team up with four level ten players and go beat up Bob or qira.

 

Tbh, I don't even know who you are. But I have not used VnE to help Hax because Hax is able to complete it and VNE is only used when THI tries to attack Hax in Jungle.
Even so, I know you guys will protect Fox even if they are wrong or not, because we were so pinched from the beginning.

 

I'm having trouble with the channel that logged you specifically, but at around this point and further you can see Avicia get attacked back by multiple guilds, VnE included, who all eventually feed back into Hax. My timezone is UTC+12; this screenshot happens at 17/Dec/2018.

@birdiefly209 not sure if you still have the screenshot (or if it was you in the first place who had it) about Hax explicitly threatening to use subs if we don't stop. VnE was one of the first guilds to show up following that threat. I think it happens around here (30/Dec) but I'm not sure.

 

tbh, I don't even know what you think. Was Hax assisted by my ally and guild member called sub guild? What about Imp and Fox hitting the guild sub and constantly attacking us right now? Funny, if you want to protect Fox, please call their alliance to stop using sub guilds or make rules useful instead of trying to give evidence that Hax used sub guild or use sub guild from half a year ago.
While your stupid thesis is trying to protect Fox, you don't even bother to look back at what they did, they're currently trying to wiped us up with the guild sub right now. Can you explain anything about it or is it just saying * I don't know anything or I have nothing to explain *.
If you want to protect them, please stop the guild sub and go to guild war? You constantly target Hax all the way to Hax because it used to, did and it was more than half a year ago. I don't even know what you are trying to do, trying to explain or trying to pinch Hax so that they are constantly being attacked by the guild's sub guild and doing nothing?

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Please think carefully, you are trying to protect a wrong person and then blame the person who used it even though they are not doing it now and the other person continues.
I think I should create names like *subguild1*, *subguild2*, *subguild3*, then go attack others and break the rules nobody care.

 

After reading the entire thread, I feel like I can finally put in my 2 cents.

Objectively speaking, I don't see any difference between sub guilds and allied guilds fighting in wars. And by objectively, I mean the in-game mechanic that is currently laid out, which the majority of people in this thread have mentioned to be flawed and broken.

Instating and enforcing rule 18 would make warring broken (as it is objectively unfair for large guilds who can't keep up the defense with just one guild when being attacked by two or more enemy guilds, even if those attacking guilds are formed-on-the-spot-spankin-new), removing the rule and warring would still be broken (objectively unfair for smaller guilds wanting to take down a bigger one who is using allies/subs).

Which is why it's ludicrous to keep arguing about this, because we all know depending on whether or not you want to break or maintain the status quo of a guild's territories, you would advocate for the rule to be enforced or removed. This is very evidenced by the two parties arguing here, having this thread spawned right after a major war effort where one of the party was unhappy of the outcome.

To be quite honest, to me, the reason why this suggestion exist in the first place is because war is objectively broken, and there's no current quick fix regarding it. Otherwise, this thread wouldn't even be necessary, perhaps even rule 18 wouldn't be either. Be honest with yourself here, would you rather have in game mechanic that is actually fair and self-regulate inequalities, or would you rather keep on arguing about a rule that was slapped on in the hope that people just play fairly with the current game mechanic (when there is an obvious gaping loophole in the game that anyone can use and abuse to their advantage)...

If this is just a matter of what's legal or illegal, then sorry you're just delusional, because there are greater matter at stake pertaining to the overall balance of the game when it comes to warring, and I can even argue for the staffs and owners of Wynn on why there might even be a greater matter at stake because unhappy gamers tend to go play something else than to remain in a community of a game that they think is broken. Thankfully the community in Wynn is great and there are many unhappy players that still stick around with the community and come back after major updates, myself included... but ideally it wouldn't have to be that way and people can continue to enjoy a FUN and BALANCED game and keep the servers full and growing. Lets advocate for something that help with that, instead of you know, something that is more or less counter-intuitive to that objective.

And before anyone accuse me of being anti-this thread/suggestion and derailing it, I voted +1, purely because where it currently stand, the quick fix to the imbalance of war (rule 18) need to be abolished or strictly enforced, in order for the majority of people to see how broken war is, before a revamp can be instated. I rest my case.

 

imo guilds should get more powerful by being a higher level and having more members, let them attack more.
And if the small guilds want to take the big guilds down then they need to band together until they can take them down.

 

Literally anyone: we should change something about guilds that helps everyone in the long run and adds more strategy to the game.
Guilds: *flamewar*
Seriously guys stick to the topic or we will be ignored again

 

This has been a topic for quite a long while now.
The problem is that everyone uses sub-guilds, which causes others to have to use sub-guilds too to adapt.
It just becomes a never-ending creation of guilds because when one side uses them, the other does too.

 

Yep aight, great, this thread's gonna go down the same point as the last. And once again I have a person misquoting my words. I never said subguilds themselves are unfair/against the rules. The whole problem here is about rule18 being broken, but now it seems like the chance of any kind of constructive debate is broken now here too. Gjob, Gjob.

 

No?

 

And I do agree that there is little advantage to having more players in a war, which is why there is sub-guilds in the first place. For example, a war with 4 players and a war with 8 players, twice the number, is almost just as fast.

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If that can be changed, sub-guilds wouldn't be as necessary, because after a certain amount of players in a war, any additional ones make barely any difference.

 

And another pointless thread again where you failed to acknowledge your own hypocrisy gjob gjob.