Remove Dying From Wynn

yellowscreen · May 12, 2017

Kra3tys said: ↑

1 - Working on it.

2 - I never said that.

3 - Have you seen a hospital anywhere in the entire world, at all?

4 - Lots of things survived the fall into the void, personally I'd like to see the entire skylands void turned into a teleporter to the void island.

5 - You actually will die in some cases, I'm working on it, it's going to be updated tuesday.

6 - I still never said they were inexperienced.

7 - Magic.

8 - Bob was fighting CoW, which I will update.

9 - Maybe they're invisible! (OooOoOooo) Or maybe they're more experienced/lucky than us and save us Indiana Jones style.

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Now let me ask you a question, how do you ever escape death's realm when dying to Qira or Wybel.
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I hope the update will explain all the holes in beyond the grave and the current suggestion
Edit: you could add to the title (wip, will be updated soonTM) and change it to "change the death messages and not always death should occur" or something

Kraetys · May 12, 2017

Nuggets said: ↑

I hope the update will explain all the holes in beyond the grave and the current suggestion
Edit: you could add to the title (wip, will be updated soonTM) and change it to "change the death messages and not always death should occur" or something
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Agree with all except changing the title, that's my clickbait.

Reoliar · May 13, 2017

i can relate to this as there is many different games that do this

gadfskhj · May 14, 2017

Nice idea! It could be better if you would lose a percentage of your emeralds rather than a random amount. The percentage could depend on your soul points, level, or something

Nesaak · May 24, 2017

Well I disagree that you dying isn't fit in with the game, it makes sense because I'm beyond the grave, death says that you have been here countless times and you bargain with him just you forget about it. The only reason you remember beyond the grave is I forgot death just kinda let's you remember that one time

Tylow · May 24, 2017

Kra3tys said: ↑

Totally not a clickbait title.
It makes no sense lorewise to have you respawn upon death, while this is a fundamental part of RPGs, it makes no sense, unless you don't die.

I propose a change to the series of messages that happen along different levels of soul points to explain both "death" and the loss of items.

Upon "death" with:

You have been critically wounded...
2 soul points have been lost...
You fade in and out of consciousness...

You've lost:
-- (Items)
[You wake up in (city) and see a well-written note on your bags]
[1/3] Note: I found you out there, unconscious, surrounded by beasts, and helped you out.
[2/3] Note: You're carrying a lot of valuable things, a lesser man would have let you die, and taken them!
[3/3] Note: Be more careful!

You have been critically wounded...
2 soul points have been lost...
You black out...

You've lost:
-- (Items)
[You wake up in (city) and find a hastily-scrawled note within your bags]
[1/2] Note: Found you out in the wild and helped you out.
[2/2] Note: Took some things as compensation, thanks.

You have been critically wounded...
2 soul points have been lost...
What year is it?

You've lost:
-- (Items)
[You wake up in (city) and your bags are considerably lighter]

Specific messages can be added to compensate for the fact that some areas are too dangerous to be saved from.

Special Case Messages

You have been critically wounded...
2 soul points have been lost...
You fade in and out of consciousness...

You've lost:
-- (Items)
[You wake up in (city) and see a note, signed by Kelight on your bags]
[1/2] Note: It seems you couldn't defeat the beast, you came flying out of the cave covered in wounds.
[2/2] Note: You were lucky this time, I wouldn't recommend going in again.

You have been critically wounded...
2 soul points have been lost...
You black out...

You've lost:
-- (Items)
[You wake up in (city) and find a note, signed by Kelight within your bags]
[1/2] Note: It seems you couldn't defeat the beast, you came flying out of the cave covered in wounds.
[2/2] Note: Some of your items were corrupted, I had to dispose of them before they became a hazard.

You have been critically wounded...
2 soul points have been lost...
What year is it?

You've lost:
-- (Items)
[You wake up in (city) and find a note, signed by Kelight within your nearly empty bags]
[1/2] Note: It seems you couldn't defeat the beast, you came flying out of the cave covered in wounds.
[2/2] Note: You were lucky to survive, but at the cost of your items, they were all corrupted.

FAQ

Q: What about the 'Beyond the Grave' quest? Wouldn't this contradict that?

A: No, because through this suggestion you aren't dying, you're simply getting wounded and saved. If this were to be added a couple minor dialogue edits would need to be made to the quest, but besides that the quest would be its own entity separate from the rest of the game.

Q: Do we really need this?

A: It would provide a more sensible outcome from losing all your health to death and respawning. We don't "need" it, just like we don't "need" any other lore to give the game depth and explain away things that happen.

Q: What about all the other major project the team is working on?

A: They don't need to add it right this second, and the current system still technically works fine. They can add it at their leisure.

Q: Why would this make more sense than Beyond the Grave?

A: The quest, while being relatively fun and an interesting explanation, leaves plot holes to be filled.
In the quest when you fight the beast, it's considered 'dead' from then on, even though you killed it while dead.
However, what about when you die to CoW, Bob, or Qira, you still have to complete those quests, meaning that they're still alive, meaning you never killed them.
This presumes that -
A: You should have never left death's realm
Or
B: You never died
Not to mention, if you're a foolhardy scrub like me and try to solo qira at 80 and get destroyed, there's no way you're killing her from deaths realm.
The Beyond the Grave quest also gives very little explanation as to why you drop items, but only when you've lost soul points.
Ya you've 'dropped' them, but why do you only drop a few at high SP and a lot more at low SP.
Mine gives just a little bit more, in the form of inference.

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I support this, but your title is misleading. It implies you wan to remove the entire process of losing all your hearts, losing 2 SP, and perhaps losing some items, before waking up in a nearby city. The hastier would see the title, say no and then leave.

Aculi · May 24, 2017

Thought it was a prank post from reading the title. But considering that magic is a thing in Wynncraft respawning could be kinda logical?
Still good point and idea you got there, though.

Kraetys · May 24, 2017

Tylow said: ↑

I support this, but your title is misleading. It implies you wan to remove the entire process of losing all your hearts, losing 2 SP, and perhaps losing some items, before waking up in a nearby city. The hastier would see the title, say no and then leave.
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It's called clickbait.

Aculi said: ↑

Thought it was a prank post from reading the title. But considering that magic is a thing in Wynncraft respawning could be kinda logical?
Still good point and idea you got there, though.
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There's actually a quest that explains it but there are plot holes as big around as ganon's ego in it.

DarkDragon101 · May 27, 2017

I like it xD

ThaumaturgX · May 30, 2017

Sounds interesting but I don't think this feature will be added because it makes no sense. Anyways, this idea is pretty creative.

Dr Zed · May 30, 2017

I still think they should just edit the dialogue of the quest instead of adding this mechanic. It is kinda cool, but it has more plot holes than just changing the dialogue, on top of being more complicated.

RemiDaYeen · May 31, 2017

THIS. ^

That's something I want to see in-game.
Replacing death by being saved is the best suggestion I've seen so far in this forum section.
I beg Wynn to make this a real thing. PLEASE.

EDIT : For some reason, quotes are glitched. My arrow is pointing up to OP.

aayl · May 31, 2017

I like this idea :)
Lots of potential for inserting easter eggs
(those cheeky mods)

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