Reduce Attack Speed / Spell Damage Effectiveness

yes you are
its only alkatraz and apocalypce that can reach such a high damage with tier attack speed
that was my arguement

 

Met a guy with a brokenly op grimtrap build... super fast attack speed, and hitting him healed him more than it damaged him. And of course, his damage with grim was insane too. Just broken overall

 

I literally don't know any other 5-elemental mage build that can do this much damage without +tier attack speed

@motoki1 's Freedom build uses a +2 tier attack speed mummy's rag, and according to motoki, Arrow storm does 25-35k

And @OhHerro above me says:

Your argument about Alkatraz and Apocalypse being the only weapons that can do such high amounts of damage is very invalid, sure, maybe Alkatraz and Apocalypse do the highest amount of damage with +tier attack speed, but there are MANY other weapons which become absolutely broken with +tier attack speed, it needs a nerf as soon as possible.



also bump I guess

 

I think that attack speed is fine how it is, attack speed items are very very hard to come by besides mummy's rag which is a low level item.

 

For fast weapons, it most definitely should stay a thing. Otherwise spells are utterly useless. Slow weapons are supposed to get a decrease though so I'm not sure what the deal here is.

 

Weird, maybe it wasn't implemented correctly?

It probably has to do with the +tier attack speed ID canceling out this decrease....

 

I am not sure if this has been suggested yet, but can't you just make spells ignore + tier attack speed?

 

Yea I was thinking of this, and I'm a little user of this glitch(?). Freedom x +2 tier mummy's rag.

I agree with this opinion. Current +tier boost is like x3 or x4 the damage, it is insane for super slow weapons, like Alkatraz. I hate that, but I don't wanna be facked up a lot with the shitty damage again, so I agree with this "reduction" opinion.

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oh btw, no, it's not.
I don't know this is a bug or not, but + (-) tier doesn't working on fire rate of the weapons.

 

You can't balance powerful items by rarity

 

Now that I think about it, I don't think a single mythic gives +/- attack speed...

 

I see where you are coming from, but where you said "attack speed items are very very hard to come by" and then mentioning Mummy's Rag afterwards, well, Mummy's Rag can be certainly obtained from a quest. Not that hard to come by then the other pieces of equipment. Anyways, these "rare" attack speed items are sure enough something I may find a very neat identification, but of course just getting one piece of equipment that contains attack speed tiers will surely, on a whole different level boost your damage. You can literally see the difference (In like, a thousand of damage increase due to a single tier), comparing to using some higher-leveled equipment like Memento, Third Eye, etc. While these higher-leveled equipment may really support the player, it does not increase the damage until it out-ranges everything else.

But even the large damage-inducing equipment in the higher levels don't necessarily do as much potential than these weak, low-leveled equipment which are only good for their attack speed tiers, yet increase spell damage more than the endgame. Just my opinion, it's not supposed to work that way as high-leveled equipment are supposed to be stronger than lower-leveled equipment. But yet again, these items have "souls" which players might attract to.

Just to add on to my last argument, things like +n attack speed tier equipment, makes them overpowered comparing to others at their level. "But they act as legendary items! Like, their attack speed tiers are rare and all so obviously the player should be granted more for their rare finding!" While this statement does come along as true, what I am trying to specifically say is, that players who do not use this attack speed tier equipment are vastly weakened comparing to ones who do use attack speed tier equipment.

Just a side note, not trying to push your opinion away. I find it quite reasonable. And obviously, you can stick with your own opinion - but I am just going with what I may think is a better solution. You draw your own conclusion. ^_^

Didn't think he meant to say that all attack speed increasing spell damage entirely, maybe just the base attack speed that comes with the weapon as well as the weapon's +n attack speed tiers identification to increase spell damage. Attack speed tiers from armors and accessories, shouldn't be a thing as they can stack up with slower weapons to generate immense spell damage.

 

What did I say about Alkatraz and apocalypse? You quoted my post but I don't know if you agree or disagree .-.

 

I was using your earlier post as a reference to tell kraby that Alkatraz and Apocalypse aren't the only weapons that become OP with +tier attack speed.

 

never seen anyone else reach such high damage cuz of tier attack speed sorry my bad
also they need to fix tier attack with melee as well if they are gonna nerf it

 

I absolutely agree that attack speed is pretty "good", BUT the thing is(even though i am not using attackspeed) in my opinion they should not nerf, because you can't/shouldn't nerf any single "op" aspect of the game, because thats destroying the community in my opinion. There are many players who spent all their money on +spell. Now it got nerfed and I bet about 40% were thinking about quitting. Its just like...it's not good to overnerf a game. Sometimes you just need to remain the game in a state thats not perfect. I don't think our owners want to create a game thats underplayed because its overnerfed. We have already seen it w/ other games.

 

Yes, the mummy rag is the most common of the teir speed items, it is speical as being a quest item. However we have seen nerfs to this in the past, for example the clock boots. I actually spent a good amount of time yesterday getting them, to find they were nerfed (I needed them for a mage build which I guess is not out dated and I need to find a new one)

 

Rip Ethereal.

 

its to balance it out,
a fast attacker would deal very little damage if it wasnt for the multiplier, but a earth slow hitter would deal tons, its only fair

 

The only problem is that exact problem already happens precisely because of attack speed spell multipliers. Super slow weapons like Alkatraz can be given +attack speed to not only remove the spell nerf associated with its attack speed, but also allow it to deal ridiculous amounts of spell damage. When you don't take bonus multipliers into account, attack speed multipliers will balance the spell damage between weapons.

Lotus didn't necessarily suggest that attack speed multipliers should be removed entirely, but that bonus tiers should not affect spell damage so we don't end up with these silly +6 Alkatraz builds that can do 40k damage per hit on uppercut.

 

Or you could do this :

because otherwise Chakram is pretty much useless, even if +attack speed IS just nerfed and not removed