Punishment for death.

I am new to the game and confused as to why there isnt a punishment for when dying. I understand that you lose crafting resources but it doesn’t seem like enough. I can understand no punishment in like free roam. However i feel like some regions/quests of the game should be punishing to die in. Otherwise players (like me) take advantage of it and keep throwing themselves at it until they eventually ( hopefully ) win. Maybe losing or having decreased stats for dying? To be honest i cant think of a reasonable solution because soul points based of what i read just endorsed afking

 

Take a look at soul points on the wiki

Nevermind I see you already have, honestly I don't think it's a problem. Losing gear isn't a good solution given how expensive some pieces can be and the roll system, alongside how often you can die when learning/doing raids on glass cannon builds. Also, there is a punishment for dying in raids and dungeons is the spending of a key or rune, as well as time. In other situations, I think it's good for players to have ability to attempt a boss as much as they need to fine-tune builds and learn boss patterns.

 

You drop ingredients not within your pouch and materials when you die. Aside from that, there isn't a punishment for death because there's a good deal of encounters (especially within Fruma) that are designed around the player learning from failure - punishing the player for a part of the learning process would absolutely suck.

 

There used to be a harsh punishment for death, but it was intentionally removed and made a slap on the wrist. Death being punished by just having to restart whatever you were doing allows fights to be unrestrained.

 

You die, and then the game says, "Let's make you die more!" I understand it feels weird, but trust me when I say that Wynncraft is not a game where death punishments make any kind of sense. Soul points were removed, not replaced, for a reason.

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It's not taking advantage of it? This is literally how the system is designed. Dungeons might be a little too easy with all the second chances nowadays, but content punishes you by content.
1. In dungeons, the penalty for dying is the key/runes and the time wasted re-doing it. Time!
2. In lootruns, you lose a minute on every death. If you're in a challenge, you don't get benefits and you lose a max challenge. It also doesn't count as a completion. Dying in a lootrun is a nightmare.
3. Raids. You lose out on the challenge (so you get a lower percent of the damage/defense/healing if you care about that sort of thing), your party might lose (time, runes), embarrassment of dying, and the Shattered Mortal's gambit specifically adds a damage penalty to every raid death if taken
4. World Events (and more specifically Annihilation), like in raids, you lose out on the chance to be a part of the challenge after dying (which is frustrating. In my last Anni I don't know how but I got one shot in the first two seconds opening my rift and then I was stuck there twiddling my thumbs for minutes as I worried over whether or not the party would win)
Lastly, /kill is sometimes the only way out of being stuck (especially in the Sky Islands Lootrun). Wynn is a lot harder to get stuck in than when I first started, jeez, more than half a decade ago, but it still happens. Punishing players for a glitch (or tp-ing into a tree by accident) is bad game design.

also if I said something someone already said, sorry I saw red and didn't read

 

You also lose a reward pull and an aspect pull.

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In general, death punishments are very reasonable in Wynn. The only places where there's not really a mechanical penalty are dying on the overworld and dying in a quest. An overworld death obviously shouldn't matter - I mean, to be honest, overworld mobs never really matter, and you can usually sprint through them without bothering to fight. A quest death punishes you by... having to redo the stage. And that is a substantial punishment! Especially in Fruma, the current endgame and postergirl for Wynn's new content direction of "ho there! 79th death, is it? [it's your 82nd]".

 

Yeah, as other people have said, there was one, it was universally hated (Look through the suggestions from when it was still around. There were a lot about either reworking or removing it outright, which they eventually did and is still one of the best changes they've ever made in my opinion, and probably a lot of other people's.) and they did a way with it because it was bad design.

Difficulty in Wynncraft is largely skill-based; you're meant to overcome challenges by getting better, not just by getting a better build or a stronger team to carry you. Getting better without practice is impossible, and if practice actively punishes you for doing it, you can't really do much of it, meaning the amount you can realistically improve your skill is limited by the game. This is terrible game design in a skill-based game, as it only serves to frustrate players who want to progress through difficult content by getting better. That is, it punishes players for playing the game in a way that is fun and intended, and encourages less enjoyable play like grinding until you can be certain you can steamroll the content, getting carried, or, as was the case with soul points, not playing the game if you were having trouble. It also limits how difficult fights can reasonably be; most of the Fruma fights took me multiple attempts, one took a good 10 or 15 (partly lag and the fight being a bit overtuned, but largely just a skill issue). If I was punished for each of those deaths, I'd probably have given up and just had someone carry me (the Qira Hive, back when that was difficult content, is a great example of how that used to go), or put on some absurd, unkillable "nanomachines, son" build. Instead I got to keep trying, adjust my build slightly, learn the bosses' moves, and get better until I won. That is, at least in my opinion, a lot more fun.

Repeatedly trying content with the hope of getting better and beating it isn't taking advantage of it; it is playing the game the way it was meant to be played, much like it is in Hollow Knight or Dark Souls. Try until you succeed.

 

TRUE I forgot about that

 

"skill issue" was always a legit diagnosis but its always funny to give someone shit for, well, being "shit" (not skilled enough)