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Game Design My Thoughts On Mythics

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Lemon, Aug 5, 2017.

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  1. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    More mythics, or legendaries with good stats, white horses.
     
  2. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Mythic prices will be lower so you could still buy them, whites are useless, and legendaries aren't that expensive
     
  3. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Most legendaries yes, but if they have godly stats they can get up to a stack or two. Even if mythic prices were lower, people would still feel cheated for paying up to stacks before the nerf, and people wanting to make money off of selling mythics from grinding them would be hit the hardest still. And meh, I don't want a white horse, but that's the only end game item I can think of that isn't a collectible. Besides, the only thing to do endgame is to grind dungeons or grind for money and loot, so there is still a point to doing so.

    I personally wished they never had implemented mythics for the reasons above, though if they tried to make them like legendaries in rarity, it would not be pretty.
     
  4. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    I agree about not adding the mythics from the start.
    But we can still increase the drop rates. How many mythics are there right now in circulation? 20? Less? This will directly influence 20 people
     
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  5. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Not anywhere close, Putrid has at least 27 of his own the last time I checked last month. I don't go to the trade market often, but I would guess around 100-200. I don't know how to verify it, though most mythic owners have about 1-4 mythics so it would still affect quite a few people.
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    Actually, Tobulance said it's about 1,000 at least. So yeah, no way is it around 20
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    I found at least 17 mythics on the first page on the trade market in like 2 min too.
    https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/gaia-cheap.199482/
    https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/good-ol-mythics-11-in-stock.199633/page-2#post-2405516
    https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/inferno-quicksell-1-5-stacks.199753/
    https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/nets-mythic-mart-sort-of.199449/
     
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  6. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Still, compared to our player base this is nothing.
    And for everyone that buys just to resell, this isn't an economy sim, but if that's what you want to play stuff like this happen in the economy.
     
  7. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    So you're fine if a fifth portion of the player base is screwed over as long as it's not you?

    Also, I don't understand your last sentence, I assume you are denouncing people who buy to resell.
     
  8. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    lets go with your numbers
    a 1000 mythics, each owner has 1-4 mythics (altho I reckon its more) so an average of 2.5 mythics per owner
    1000/2.5=400
    lets say that not all of them are interested in reselling and just want to play the game (not sure what numbers to use so lets say that for every reseller there is one player that just wants to play normally) that leaves us with 200 owners that want to resell, that's nothing.
     
  9. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Given the rarity and the price of mythics, I doubt it's 50/50. It's probably around 80%-90%, given how many mythics are sold on the market. Anyways, I could see this argument being made if it was just for a few individuals, but this isn't the case. It's like saying we should have removed guilds because only a small portion of the player base use it, despite people putting in hours of their time and emeralds. Especially with mythics, it's extremely wrong to cheat someone like that who grinded months to get a mythic, and just because a few people try to scam (like with every other item), it still doesn't make it right to screw them. Again, just because it doesn't affect you or it seems too small to you doesn't make it right to screw someone over.

    Even though a portion of the player base don't use mythics, mythics are still a huge part of the economy. So in spite of the fact the economy would be destroyed if this were to happen, everybody would have the best weapons in the game, and any resemblance of balance would be destroyed.
     
  10. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    its like saying we need to fix guilds and we are willing to accept a reset as a solution if it ahs to be done.
    you think that we can balance an op item by a super rare drop chance? we can, but only up to a certain point, mythics are way beyond it.
     
  11. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    If guilds weren't broken though, this wouldn't be the case. Mythics, while OP, won't be fixed by decreasing their rarity.

    This would happen if mythic stats weren't changed. Again, I wish they never added mythics in the first place either, but now since they are here there isn't much we can do. In a sense, mythics aren't supposed to balanced in the way other tiers are. They are the ultimate item for hard core players to grind for and they better be worth their rarity, i.e. be the best item in the game. If their rarity and stats were merged, it would completely destroy the whole point of them, not to mention the player's faith in Salted.
     
  12. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    with the current situation in a half year or so there will be enough mythics so it will be considered balanced
     
  13. ThomAnn100

    ThomAnn100 I have reached peak intelligence VIP+

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  14. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    even irl, white horses are rarer but they are not better
     
  15. Dr Zed

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    Well, you mean that they aren't worth getting.
     
  16. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    most of the time having a lower than average computer and the lag make it so a max white isn't that faster than a max chestnut
     
  17. Dr Zed

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    Oh, ok. I thought that's what you meant earlier because of your whole horse breeding thread.
     
  18. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    Well, I switch builds a LOT, soooo
     
  19. Yuno F Gasai

    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    Your builds cost more than your previous builds + a mythic?
     
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    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    I don't sell my past builds because I can't find any buyers, which is slowly becoming a problem
     
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