World More Quests Like ???

It wasn't hard. All it took to begin was...

Shouldn't say that.

 

Actually, ??? is pretty high on the game design ladder, as it gives the player full control of what to do for the quest. Knowing nothing means the player has to actually do work to find out about it (search the deepnet, ask other players, look around, etc). I'd say possibly hide NPCs that give hints, but a single hint can give the whole quest away.

The no talk rule actually makes it more fun, IMO, because it's like a forbidden fruit. Someone could say they know something, and could tell a group that something, and there's that edge of fear of being banned for knowing the forbidden thing. It's basically "you only break the rules if you get caught".

;)

I really wish you could use grammar so I could actually reply with something more thought out, but from what I can read "I don't like this quest, so that means most other people don't like it either".

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Looking back, it was pretty ingenious, but it wouldn't say it's hard or easy, as someone could immediately know what to do, and someone would need like 40 people to figure out what to do.

 

I was gonna guess that, but I don't think you can get back to the Ragni Outskirts once you are in Ragni. Or can you get back there? I would love to try some stuff out if you can

 

Depends on your curiosity I guess. Hard to discuss, but I think that's safe.

 

SSSSSHHHHHHH Don't give @Cubie anymore ideas

 

???s only flaw is that it's an actual quest.
People saw it as a grind, as a quest, as something they just had to grind out for xp, and not as some exciting hidden easter Egg which might give information about some unknown things in Wynn and Gavel.

 

This is good idea. I really had lot of fun while doing ??? quest.

Pros:

• As someone mentioned above, you really feel adventuring, it gives you true spirit of MMORPG game
• You train your brain and searching skills
• You can easily become more familiar with map and it's secrets
• You can have great time :)

 

If it wasn't a quest, then most likely, no one would have much incentive to go out for it, unless there were more hints for it. The fact it was a quest made it so that people would go out of there way to figure out what ??? was, it MADE them think. Everyone who really think it's a grind don't understand that the quest itself is a big puzzle/riddle, and just wanted to finish to finish it. Not explore Gavel.

 

How do you have full control? You have just as much control as most other quests in that there is only one course of action to take in order to complete the quest. And like all quests, the way you walk that course can differ from searching it up, asking other people, or just figuring it out.

Games that give you "full control" like Minecraft succeed because there is no clear-cut "you must do this or you won't beat the game" objective. Yeah, you can go to The End and beat the dragon, but afterwards you'll just read the story and get plopped back into your world to continue on your way. Or just can build that dream house you always wanted. There are countless paths you can take, so having someone telling you what to do would only lessen the experience.

But in ???, there is a clear-cut set of steps required in order to complete it, but you're given nothing about it. Asking other people how to do the quest at the risk of them getting banned isn't work. Putting pieces together in your head until it finally clicks and you're able to progress further in the quest is work.

 

There are no clear cut paths in ???, so by your logic, you can beat ???, read the story, and get plopped right back in WynnCraft to continue on your way. There are countless paths you can take to beat ???, you can search the whole sea, explore Dernal Jungle, search the cities of Wynn, delves through Olux Swamps, hunt through the Forest of Light and the Forest of Darkness. Going out of your way to find out answers about ??? with the risk of being banned adds peril. We know that mods and admins love to check in on players, can search our inventories, our banks, our chats, etc. One wrong question at the wrong time can make all the difference in your world. There are pieces to the puzzle known as ???, hidden in plain sight, we walk into them, around them, through them. I saw all ??? had to offer by accident, and it was just walking around. I didn't know pieces were pieces until I saw the finished product.
??? is a literal Quest of being given nothing to find nothing. That is what I like about the quest. It'd be like if From the Bottom was covering all of Wynn, you run into pieces along the way, then it's your job to find out what pieces go with what to make a puzzle. That's what this thread about, and I do not want to turn it into a heated debate due to someone probably being told what the solution of ??? was, or the fact you probably did it just to get the XP and be on your merry way. I'd much rather have an argument with someone who actually realizes that the quest is meant to be run by the community almost, not WynnCraft. If you wish to continue this debate, please PM me.

 

yeah sorry i was in a rush, but my point was, do more quests like ??? with no leads/coords, but not every single quest.

 

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banned

 

you just brought down da temmie hammer :O how do u feel?

 

am i the only one disapointed by the ??? quest?

 

I will be with you.. I am an idiot too.. ;-;

 

My problem with ??? is that I've spent so much time looking for it that it is just easier to do other quests, or grind. I just feel like the GM's are kind of cheating by putting this quest in. (Also, anyone who says they have completed this quest has WAY too much time on their hands.)

 

The thing about The Elder Scrolls, I've found, is that not only are quests found fairly easily along the main questline, but you can easily seek help. Example: Go to Town A to do Action B, in Town A, you talk to Person C and they ask you for help with a problem. Then you start quest D. If you get stuck on quest D, you can go to the wiki to figure out what to do. In ??? though, it's: "Ok go look for a thing." "What thing?" "Find that out." "Oh, well can I ask someone who's don-" "NO!" "Oh...so I'm meant to look literally everywhere to start this quest?" "I don't know, figure that out."

It feels like a very lazy way to keep players active by forcing them to look for something they have no clue about if they want 100% Quests.

 

The ??? quest, in my opinion, isn't very good.

As @InvertedReaper said about the game design ladder, the ??? quest seriously is the worst idea. I mean, I know games where you have riddles to finish quests, but downright searching every cubic inch of a 2000 block map is absolutely stupid.

Let's say we have a quest where we have to find the start near a river near Rymek.

If there's a riddle:

"A forgotten town on the edge of the province,
Where condors sleep every square inch,
Find a man near a river,
and he will grant you wisdom for later."

No riddle:

the quest becomes a 100,000 piece jigsaw puzzle. (get the metaphor, it means it's nearly impossible)

 

???'s already difficult enough. The challenge might be fun for some people but for completionists I think one quest like that is bad enough.