Info Item Team Thread - Item/ingredient/major Id Changes, Updates & More

d3 rightfully reclaiming the nerdiest loser on IM thread title let's goooooo

condemned to using pyukumuku on the OU ladder for 3 days

 

screens pyukumuku, the most redundant thing on planet earth bois

 

uh patch 12 change lol i think this is it

Stolen Pearls
emeraldStealing: 6 to 10 -> 2 to 5

 

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/custo...G0M0201c0j0200y221B010KA1D010KA1F010KA1H010KA
do you believe that this item @FreneticEntropy made is based
(assume it's 2.0)

 

this doesn't even have a valid ID roll range on it

 

wait i feel like it's op bc of the mana formula

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lets say you have 30% spell reduction from int using this item and you use meteor
meteor 45 cost base bc cheaper meteor go brrrrr

Method 1:
1. Apply int
2. Round result up
3. Apply raw spell cost id
4. Apply % spell cost id
5. Round result down
- saya's thread https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/spell-cost-guide-reference-chart.268079/

so
45 -> 31.5
next 41.5 (assuming max rolls, +10 cost)
round down to 41
this isn't doing any shenanigens with the atree reducing costs sometimes or mana bank
if you add dtide this item is borderline irrelavent
-22% cost
so
go bacxk to 41, then -22%
31.98 -> 31 cost
this item just got ratio'd by demon tide
unless this formula is wrong, or im bad at maths

 

I altered the roll range so that it’s not absurdly powerful (mythic level) with really good rolls while absurdly bad (normal level) with really bad ones. If it was a real item, it would need alterations. But yes, it isn’t a legitimate ID roll range.

 

i think you need to increase the spell costs like, a lot
it seems like the intent is massive mr but you have a lot of spell damage increase

 

i mean ok altered roll range aside (you can't just do that lol) even with max rolls this item is not even mythic level. using the idea of mana value (read hppeng's thread if you havent!), at max rolls this gives -20 mana value from cost per second (6cps) and +26 mana value from mana regen per second, so it's at best worth 6 mana per second and gets worse at higher cps

this means it's worse than deux (6.9 mana value), and significantly worse than stuff like aquarius (10.4) and anima-infused cuirass (12), with the upside of no req and the downside of low health and nothing else. realistically, it's probably somewhat usable as a mana battery in builds that abuse stuff like slayer and convergence to hit 0-cost spells, but even then, i might as well just build damage instead.

 

that makes sense
i totally forgot about hppeng's mana value thread, my bad
i'll use that instead of cost calculatin examples next time

 

Without altered rolls, it would be +130 mana per five seconds (26/sec) with +8 to each spell’s cost, and if you casted 2 spells per second, it would be +10 mana per second. The problem is, without altered rolls, it’s +6 mana per sec with +20 to each spell’s cost at minimum (or -34 mana per second with 2 spells/second). It’s not very powerful (low hp, no side benefits) but it’s meant to work with other factors to become powerful, and I messed with the roll range so that an OK roll is good enough, a super good roll isn’t insanely good, and a super bad roll doesn’t make it into a knock-off inhibitor. If you want to try balancing it better without making it super abusable, go ahead and try. I didn’t put a ton of effort into balancing it anyways, I don’t care.

 

I don't really, since the design is fundamentally just +mana -mana which might as well just be +mana which we already have a bunch of

 

Late but screens in current gen ou are almost never used defensively, the only real example of defensive screen use is light screen toxapex, which is only really to screw over futureport set ups. Screens are only really used on hyper offense teams to enable set up sweepers, meaning that the dedicated screens setter's role is to get in, set screens, and then get out, positioning one of the sweepers. The main reason why screens pyukumuku is an unset is because that it's an awful setter. Compare it to tapu koko, a quite popular screen setter, for example. Between its absurd speed, taunt, and enough bulk to be practically impossible to OHKO with screens, eating even modest nidoking sludge wave from full with just 252 hp and light screen, it's almost guaranteed to set up both screens. This coupled with its ability to pivot in u-turn and support its teammates with the electric terrain it sets, make it a top pick for screens HO. Or alolan ninetales, who, while slower than tapu koko and lacking taunt or pivoting, is able to compression screens turns down to one turn with aurora veil, is still plenty fast, notably tying kartana, can still create opportunities with easy switches with encore and hypnosis, and sets hail, forcing chip on your opponent and enabling arctozolt. Pyukumuku, while bulky, is not absurdly so; its good defenses are let down by its poor hp, rendering it sizebly less bulky than even slowbro, and it's also one of the slowest pokemon in the entire game, making it almost always have to take a hit before setting the first screen, and another before setting the next. This means that strong neutral hits or super effective hits are able to kill it before its able to get both screens up, making it unable to guarantee both screens. Furthermore, while it does have taunt, it's so slow that it's always going to get taunted first. This coupled with its lack of pivoting and any other form of support for the team make it an utterly abhorrent screens user.

Some relevant calcs

252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Koko through Light Screen: 274-324 (79.6 - 94.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Zapdos-Galar Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 193-228 (49.1 - 58%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Zapdos-Galar Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 171-202 (54.4 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Pyukumuku in Psychic Terrain: 250-295 (79.6 - 93.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Kartana Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 338-402 (107.6 - 128%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Pyukumuku in Electric Terrain: 246-290 (78.3 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

This is so sad
Greed, I blame you for this.

 

Wasted so much on stealing Accessories :(
So stealing got a rework?

 

did you actually write an essay on screens pyuku
anyways i haven't played comp mons in ages, maybe i should get back to it
what's changed in the three months i was gone?

 

item team thread more like pokemon hijacked thread

 

imagine: ambivalence buff

 

imagine: passive damage sources are significantly more common and central to various archetypes and allowing Ambivalence to be more powerful than it is would make those sources entirely too strong

 

imagining.

ambiv is either broken unusable or broken damage with x. its hard to reach a compromise when passive damage corners spell damage building into a corner :(