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Guide Spell Cost % Guide + Reference Chart

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Saya, May 8, 2020.

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Is 0 int spell cool

  1. yes

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  2. meh

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  1. Saya

    Saya you win at uwynn HERO

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    (the identification)​

    How spellcost is calculated:

    Method 1:
    1. Apply int
    2. Round result up
    3. Apply raw spell cost id
    4. Apply % spell cost id
    5. Round result down


    Method 2:
    1. Round down the int reduction amount
    2. Subtract it from the base cost
    3. Add raw spell cost id to result
    4. Round down the spellcost % reduction amount (sign = spellcost % sign)
    5. Add it to the result



    oh yeah don't forget, rounding down a negative means more negative


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    Example:
    (probably outdated so just read below): https://www.wynndata.tk/s/zbuayx
    ok updated link
    Aquamarine/Soul Signal/The Ephemeral/Slayer
    Draoi Fair/Finesse/Sacramentalia/Contrast
    Pure

    68 int
    3rd Spell Cost +1
    3rd Spell Cost -71%


    Method 1:
    Meteor base cost is 8.
    You apply intelligence to that (68 int = ~50.3% reduced mana usage, so multiply by 100% - 50.3% = 49.7%) and get 3.976.
    Rounded up, that's 4.

    Raw spell is +1, so you get 5.
    Applying the spellcost % id (-71%) to 5, we get 1.45.
    1.45 rounds down to 1

    Final meteor cost: 1


    Method 2:
    Meteor base cost is 8.
    Int reduction amount (68 int = ~50.3% reduction) 8 * 50.3% = 4.024, rounds down to 4
    base cost 8 - 4 = 4

    Raw spell is +1, so you get 5.
    spellcost % result is -71% * 5 = -3.55, rounds down to -4
    5 + (-4) = 1

    Final meteor cost: 1



    Also since the spellcost after int and raw is 5, the spellcost threshold for a 1 cost meteor in this build is -61%.
    upload_2021-8-22_1-45-48.png




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    Use the spellcost you get after factoring in both int and raw spell cost. It is considered as the "base" for this chart.

    -spellcost % threshold chart:
    (Up to the absolute worst case, 18, which is a minroll Lower with 0 int):
    Code:
    1:   -1% = 0 (0 doesn't mean free, it still costs 1. It does affect repeat spellcasts though, you get another 1 cost cast.)
    2:  -51% = 0,  -1% = 1
    3:  -67% = 0, -34% = 1,  -1% = 2
    4:  -76% = 0, -51% = 1, -26% = 2,  -1% = 3
    5:  -81% = 0, -61% = 1, -41% = 2, -21% = 3,  -1% = 4
    6:  -84% = 0, -67% = 1, -51% = 2, -34% = 3, -17% = 4,  -1% = 5
    7:  -86% = 0, -72% = 1, -58% = 2, -43% = 3, -29% = 4, -15% = 5,  -1% = 6
    8:  -88% = 0, -76% = 1, -63% = 2, -51% = 3, -38% = 4, -26% = 5, -13% = 6,  -1% = 7
    9:  -89% = 0, -78% = 1, -67% = 2, -56% = 3, -45% = 4, -34% = 5, -23% = 6, -12% = 7,  -1% = 8
    10: -91% = 0, -81% = 1, -71% = 2, -61% = 3, -51% = 4, -41% = 5, -31% = 6, -21% = 7, -11% = 8,  -1% = 9
    11: -91% = 0, -82% = 1, -73% = 2, -64% = 3, -55% = 4, -46% = 5, -37% = 6, -28% = 7, -19% = 8, -10% = 9,  -1% = 10
    12: -92% = 0, -84% = 1, -76% = 2, -67% = 3, -59% = 4, -51% = 5, -42% = 6, -34% = 7, -26% = 8, -17% = 9,  -9% = 10,  -1% = 11
    13: -93% = 0, -85% = 1, -77% = 2, -70% = 3, -62% = 4, -54% = 5, -47% = 6, -39% = 7, -31% = 8, -24% = 9, -16% = 10,  -8% = 11,  -1% = 12
    14: -93% = 0, -86% = 1, -79% = 2, -72% = 3, -65% = 4, -58% = 5, -51% = 6, -43% = 7, -36% = 8, -29% = 9, -22% = 10, -15% = 11,  -8% = 12,  -1% = 13
    15: -94% = 0, -87% = 1, -81% = 2, -74% = 3, -67% = 4, -61% = 5, -54% = 6, -47% = 7, -41% = 8, -34% = 9, -27% = 10, -21% = 11, -14% = 12,  -7% = 13,  -1% = 14
    16: -94% = 0, -88% = 1, -82% = 2, -76% = 3, -69% = 4, -63% = 5, -57% = 6, -51% = 7, -44% = 8, -38% = 9, -32% = 10, -26% = 11, -19% = 12, -13% = 13,  -7% = 14,  -1% = 15
    17: -95% = 0, -89% = 1, -83% = 2, -77% = 3, -71% = 4, -65% = 5, -59% = 6, -53% = 7, -48% = 8, -42% = 9, -36% = 10, -30% = 11, -24% = 12, -18% = 13, -12% = 14,  -6% = 15, -1% = 16
    18: -95% = 0, -89% = 1, -84% = 2, -78% = 3, -73% = 4, -67% = 5, -62% = 6, -56% = 7, -51% = 8, -45% = 9, -39% = 10, -34% = 11, -28% = 12, -23% = 13, -17% = 14, -12% = 15, -6% = 16, -1% = 17
    
    spellcosttable1.png

    Note: -raw cost that makes your spellcost "negative" means you get to cast it that many times at 1 mana, basically.

    Quick references to base spellcosts:
    Archer: 6/3/8/10
    Assassin: 6/2/8/8
    Warrior: 6/4/9/6
    Mage: 6/4/8/4
    Shaman: 4/1/8/6


    thanks @iTechnically, @hppeng, @Bart (MC), @Druser, @Wxhlf for messing with my brain
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2021
  2. Aiyria

    Aiyria sad HERO

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    hmmmm
    interesting...
    no int spellspam time
     
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  3. Kiocifer

    Kiocifer Creator of salteďpog3 and other monstrosities Modeler ✎ Artist HERO

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    epic calculator; you might want to mention briefly why -1% spell cost lowers the entire cost by one (kinda borked tbh). (Or maybe I missed it, it's 2:30 and I'm basically forcing my eyes open by having to look at my god-awful pfp to re-instill a fight or flight response to keep me awake)
     
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  5. Saya

    Saya you win at uwynn HERO

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    whoops my brain died doing the higher mana costs which were really pointless

    thanks
     
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    Bleiiz The Hole Finder HERO

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    I'm just gonna pretend I know what any of this means and roll with it
     
  7. Saya

    Saya you win at uwynn HERO

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  8. TheSilverTide

    TheSilverTide Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    Cool guide, how does cost change if spell cost % increase it?
     
  9. Endercomet

    Endercomet HongKonger

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    It would not be that important cause you shouldn’t be using them if you are using spell build but if you aren’t using spell build the costs don’t rly matter anyway
     
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    TheSilverTide Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    But what if i would like to reduce the +spell cost %? it would be useful to know values
     
  11. Endercomet

    Endercomet HongKonger

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    The -ve spell cost would additively balance it out
    If you get a +10% spell cost armor and pair it with a -20% spell cost armor you can refer to the chart with -10% spell cost.
    Also you wouldn’t normally have +spell cost armors in a good spell build unless your weapon has it
     
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  13. Druser

    Druser ele defs don't matter HERO Featured Wynncraftian

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    Some of my experiments with this have been counterintuitive. Wynndata is probably right but I would recommend testing ingame to be sure.
     
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    williamszr98 Cyberpunk 2077 have less bugs than this update VIP+

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  15. Saya

    Saya you win at uwynn HERO

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    honestly this is more of a guide on which slayers and demon tides are worth less than others for what reason
     
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    time to throw out all those shitty slayers
     
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  18. Sar

    Sar The Fire Archer CHAMPION

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    imagine having a godly slayer and demon tide, just spamming 3rd spell like no tomorrow without having any intell
     
  19. Saya

    Saya you win at uwynn HERO

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    you only need the slayer, check the chart for what becomes 1mana :o
     
  20. Sar

    Sar The Fire Archer CHAMPION

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    yea but that is only on the first spell, you need 100% if you want an infinite 1 mana
     
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