World Item "refunds"

Muchwag · Aug 8, 2018

Markles:D said: ↑

I like how there's so many people here who say "no it can't work" and"Videos can be faked" but no one who's a professional will have the w closely and decide "yes" or "no", or even multiple people.

ust being "no no no"
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Okay it is a at best plausible idea but if live ever tried recording you get like 1/3 FPS and intense frame drops, on top of that people WILL try to fake them and having mods go over footage slows down update and other content from being made

H0Y · Aug 8, 2018

Markles:D said: ↑

I like how there's so many people here who say "no it can't work" and try to bring someone else's idea down instead of trying to contribute an idea to improve it. "Videos can be faked" but no one who's a professional will have the will to copy an item in Minecraft. Their skill would be used elsewhere. And where these mediocre cheaters would make mistakes, someone with a good eye and time would look at the video closely and decide "yes" or "no", or even multiple people.

Seriously y'all need to be constructive with your criticism instead of just being "no no no"
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Khaps said: ↑

Ok, no.
Here's why :

It is clear that it would be moderators' job to do this, because :
Admins : too busy
CT : Has other stuff to do
Normal players : Wait what?
So :
Let's imagine there are absolutely NO ONE who tries to uses that to scam.
Let's imagine that EVERYONE records their gameplay
Let's imagine that EVERYONE makes a proper report with that, giving us as much proof as we need.

Do you really think us moderators have enough time to check through that? There are already a nice amount of people complaining about loosing their items, even when it is common knowledge that we have a strict no refund policy. Adding a refund policy would make the request up by a lot. Maybe of players who have records of losing an item, but BEFORE this new rule, etc etc etc...

This is why I don't think its a good idea at all.

Also, reading the above posts, you can find a lot of ways people would try to get around this. Adding on to this that I totally dislike the idea of refunding un-id'd, even if the player has to pay... WAIT HE HAS TO PAY A 1/4 OF THE ITEM'S WORTH? So not only would we have to look through potentially hours of gampeplay to make sure it wasn't faked, but we would also have to know the worth of every item and make people pay for it?

That is a definitive no for me. I already lost items, friends of mine already lost items too, I know this is annoying, but you have to get over it, eventually you will get so much stuff that the item(s) you lost won't even matter anymore...
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Shots · Aug 8, 2018

A Human said: ↑

This would be ok, however you’re forgetting videos and photos can easily be edited. With good editing skills, you can record yourself holding an item, then use different footage of yourself throwing an identical looking but cheaper item into a hopper. If they use a weapon skin, that would easily allow them to do that. It would be hard to tell between edited and unedited footage
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Aarontti said: ↑

Evidence can be faked, no matter how foolproof you think it'd be. In addition to this, there simply isn't a system to make items pop into existence out of nowhere, especially with weapons and armor which have specific identifications on them.
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12DaBob27 said: ↑

Uh yeah item updates dont happen like that. Maybe Jp himself can set ids of an item in game to specific values but even on GM server we cant do that so i doubt that its easily possible and giving mods the ability to spawn in any item is definitely not the smartest idea (sorry mod ppl ;-; )
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Khaps said: ↑

Ok, no.
Here's why :

It is clear that it would be moderators' job to do this, because :
Admins : too busy
CT : Has other stuff to do
Normal players : Wait what?
So :
Let's imagine there are absolutely NO ONE who tries to uses that to scam.
Let's imagine that EVERYONE records their gameplay
Let's imagine that EVERYONE makes a proper report with that, giving us as much proof as we need.

Do you really think us moderators have enough time to check through that? There are already a nice amount of people complaining about loosing their items, even when it is common knowledge that we have a strict no refund policy. Adding a refund policy would make the request up by a lot. Maybe of players who have records of losing an item, but BEFORE this new rule, etc etc etc...

This is why I don't think its a good idea at all.

Also, reading the above posts, you can find a lot of ways people would try to get around this. Adding on to this that I totally dislike the idea of refunding un-id'd, even if the player has to pay... WAIT HE HAS TO PAY A 1/4 OF THE ITEM'S WORTH? So not only would we have to look through potentially hours of gampeplay to make sure it wasn't faked, but we would also have to know the worth of every item and make people pay for it?

That is a definitive no for me. I already lost items, friends of mine already lost items too, I know this is annoying, but you have to get over it, eventually you will get so much stuff that the item(s) you lost won't even matter anymore...
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Markles:D said: ↑

Seriously y'all need to be constructive with your criticism instead of just being "no no no"
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ok
as said it's kinda hard to help improve the idea when the idea itself shouldn't be implemented reason being things multiple people have said

A Human · Aug 8, 2018

Markles:D said: ↑

no one who's a professional will have the will to copy an item in Minecraft. Their skill would be used elsewhere. And where these mediocre cheaters would make mistakes, someone with a good eye and time would look at the video closely and decide "yes" or "no", or even multiple people.
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You don’t need to be a professional to do this. I can easily record myself holding a mythic (assuming I have one), say, a Fatal. Then I can stop the recording, switch to holding a Judas, go to the exact same position, and record myself dropping it. Then I can put both of these clips into iMovie and put them together into one clip. While it might be possible to tell its faked through counting frames and such, with the amount of requests, the mod team will need to spend hours upon hours to look through all the footage, a lot of which might be faked.

Overall it will mostly just waste the mod team’s time, which they need to use for other things.

ThomAnn100 · Aug 8, 2018

Markles:D said: ↑

but no one who's a professional will have the will to copy an item in Minecraft.
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You underestimate the dedication of some people to get free stuff.

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World Item "refunds"

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