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Dueling

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Danity-, Sep 12, 2020.

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Should there be an optional staking feature when dueling

  1. Yes i like robbing kids of emeralds

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  2. No im a bad pvper

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  1. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO Help the wiki! VIP+

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    Why no one has mentioned that you can just trade the ITEMS after the fight.
    If you don't want to bet, nothing will bother you. If you want to bet, just do it this way.

    Too much coding for too few people.

    Also it might look like it is encouraged to bet which is false
     
  2. Yraw

    Yraw Water Fountain

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    uhhh idk why this turned into an argument of pvp balance, but sure i wanna bet on duels +1

    maybe have it show the gear the player is using in the gui as well so you can judge for yourself if you wanna take it
     
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  3. Aya

    Aya Very Serious Gensokyo Journalist VIP+

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    To be fair, PvP is really unbalanced, poison is by far the best stat (one hit and you just have to wait 3 seconds until poison just sweeps the entire enemy health bar because haha, it ignores both agility and defense, which means if you take 20k poison damage, YOU TAKE 20k poison damage and you cannot do anything about it), assassin kinda takes the cake for me in PvP thanks to vanish, how are you supposed to win if you literally can't tell where the enemy is? yeah you drop 2 particles and they are hardly visible in the particle chaos that spells are... The meta is very clear, either you are extremely fast and can one-shot everything and outdamage the poison, or you are a tanky poison build that can destroy everyone just by existing including the insane damage that damage and speed builds are supposed to do, any sort of tanky build that does not rely on poison is kinda bad and pretty much any glassy build that is not capable of insta-killing also sucks, it really needs changes because pretty much 15% of the current game's playstyles are the only viable ones
    And don't come and say "just don't fight broken builds lol" because they can just wear some weak build, accept the duel and then change their build during the 10 seconds of start-up, which means you can get tricked into fighting a broken build anyways, I think it shouldn't be possible to change items except for weapons during the duel
    I think first there should be lots of changes before making PvP a real serious feature, I don't duel yeah and it is because duels always go the same exact way, I either one-shot my opponent or I wither away to his 20k poison damage, it gets boring
    Just because it is possible to outplay someone even when they have god on their side (like those guys who somehow trigger their agility on every single hit of multi-hit sometimes) doesn't mean it isn't luck, it is not entirely luck but skill isn't all either, luck can grant you many second chances during the duel if it wants to, which can feel really unfair

    Also quick question, is betting obligatory? I'm fine with this existing as long as you can deny betting anything (of course if you don't bet anything, the other player can't either because that could be abused to do no-risk high-reward duels without the other player's consent) and can just play a nice friendly match with no prize for winning other than bragging rights

    Also that poll...
     
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  4. Zuxian

    Zuxian Professional Duelist. VIP

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    I could mention alot of things in this which i think is wrong and shouldnt be hard for yourself to figure out. I’ll explain one thing as i fought assasins with weathered and i won sometimes same with poison builds when i have zero agility. If you literally struggling against those then dont duel. And ofcourse you dont have to bet anything its just just a extra option for safe betting. For the people who want to make it more exciting.
     
  5. ThedumbOX

    ThedumbOX Having no friends VIP

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    Don’t want to spark an argument, but the poll will hardly turn people away, I think it’s just a badly taken/executed joke
     
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    ghoti0315 Professional JoJo reference boi HERO

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    Then the whole idea here doesn't even deserve to be implemented.
    One simple thing, if you want others to pay effort on something you want, then you MUST pay effort on your suggestions.
    Maybe a bit toxic here, but "suggestions" with only 2 useful sentences should not be here, but in VIP plaza (which is the famous shitposting hub).
     
  7. ThedumbOX

    ThedumbOX Having no friends VIP

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    Ok not being toxic but how does bring back shoutboc have so many likes
     
  8. ghoti0315

    ghoti0315 Professional JoJo reference boi HERO

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    I guess I am going to DM you for that, not gonna go off topic here
     
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  9. Aya

    Aya Very Serious Gensokyo Journalist VIP+

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    Keyword: Sometimes
    Of course, the matchup isn't 100:0 but the thing is, there are certain builds that are a clear meta, of course the tier list doesn't define your results entirely, people can lose a match in Smash even when using Brawl's Meta Knight, but they still have a huge advantage due to how broken that character is (if you don't know what is wrong with that character, watch Heeew's Brawl is Broken video, to sum up, he has multiple jumps, insane recovery capacity, great damage output, ridiculously good frame data, really good range, acceptable weight and good kill power, on top of that his specials can be abused a lot, like N-B eating shields, or D-B allowing for stalling infinitely, etc...) so if you want good results, you HAVE to play the meta, and that's why it needs balancing, just because the win:lose ratio isn't 100:0 doesn't mean it is not unbalanced

    As for the last part, thanks for clarifying, if that's the case then sure I don't mind this being a thing
     
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    Zuxian Professional Duelist. VIP

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    as for super smash bros i don't understand their mechanics but i do understand the fact that there is a champion, character or even a build (armour) to OP.
    But that reason alone shouldn't be used to bash on this idea which was simply put here as a suggestion and to improve the pvp in a way other people can enjoy it in the eng game.
     
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    Show us how it would work exactly. When the GUI would show up, how it would look, work etc.
     
  12. SLScool

    SLScool Well-Known Adventurer

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    I imagine the GUI for betting would resemble the trading GUI: it'd have space for each player to place their bets, observe the other player's bets, and confirm that this is in fact what they want. It's better than having players agree on a set amount of emeralds as you can decide what you really want (e.g., Player 1 is really good and therefore bets 30 emeralds while Player 2 is not as good and bets 10 emeralds).
     
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    So it is like normal trading but you put your items in before the fight and might obtain them after the fight?

    What does @Scepter_ it would look like?
     
  14. Zuxian

    Zuxian Professional Duelist. VIP

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    Yes its like you bet the things you want and they bet theirs on the duel and if both parties agree on it then it will be put in the chest as example and after the match the winner will get access to it and get both bets. obviously there are various methods toward this idea and can be improved over time to avoid glitch abusers or duping.
     
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    Then why not just agree on it and then trade it normal way? No extra coding needed.
     
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    Yeah I agree with that
    Scammers
     
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    I think this and the poll says something about the author
     
  18. Zuxian

    Zuxian Professional Duelist. VIP

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    I wish there were people like you, innocent. i do a lot of duels for 16 EB and i am getting scammed 10% of the players im dueling. i am happy that 90% still pays up.
    Sadly in wynncraft discord the majority encourages to scam people and not to pay up in a duel which you lost.
    This is why i'm also not interacting on people on discord anymore since most of them are scammers and you couldn't trust them with even your groceries.

    This is also the reason i want this implemented just to erase the doubt feeling you have after winning a hard earned duel. so everyone can fight their hearts out without any restraints.
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    yeah its really sad how people on wynncraft discord encourages scamming instead of ridicule the ones who scam.
    i remember the old times when people stood together against those sort of people.
    but yes this is the only reason i would want the bet system to be implemented and maybe a cool arena battle ground. (remember the colosseum?)

    i'm just a sucker for pvp please don't mind me C:
     
  19. TrapinchO

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    How do they scam you?
    You make a deal (e.g. whoever wins gives the opponent 1Le) and then fight. And the opponent refuses to pay even when you win? Thats not scam, he just doesn't pay. It is not against the rules, but not honourable either. You didn't lose anything.
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    Biased/rude poll automatically makes the suggestion worse btw
     
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