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Death Messages (really Small Suggestion)

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by WilliamLin5, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. WilliamLin5

    WilliamLin5 Travelled Adventurer HERO

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    This is a really small suggestion but this death message https://prnt.sc/qj66j7. It says [Player] met his demise. But it should be [Player] met their demise, because we don't know what their gender is.
     
  2. btdmaster

    btdmaster Well-Known Adventurer

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    Actually, now that I think about it, is there ever a reference to the player's gender?
    It would probably be a mistake, as I'm pretty sure they did that on purpose (only referring to you as adventurer, warrior or whatever) but I am wondering
     
  3. Magnificent

    Magnificent 4128 chests 2 mythics found

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    oh also Royal Trials, because you have to dress up as an egirl to get access
     
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  4. Stormarend

    Stormarend Bonks

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    Come to think of it, the Vault Guard refers to the player as "Ragni Man" in Kingdom of Sand. That should probably be fixed.
     
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  5. btdmaster

    btdmaster Well-Known Adventurer

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    Wait actually yeah cause by you having to dress up as a girl makes therefore implies you are not such.
     
  6. ____________

    ____________ HERO

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    Or just implement an iteration of this somewhere in the game (and probably add a toggle command)
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    If dialogue can be altered based on what class you choose, then it can too be changed based on one stat like this
     
  7. Stormarend

    Stormarend Bonks

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    I might be misinterpreting your post, but no, there's no political agenda. Quest dialogues and other in-game text have been receiving changes for a long time to make pronouns neutral and I if it's possible I see no reason not to change it. Besides, the "crossdressing as a game mechanic" trope has been done to death and is neither interesting nor funny.
     
  8. Druser

    Druser Heavy Melee time HERO

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    Royal Trials specifically doesn't identify the player's gender - read the dialogue again and you'll see.
     
  9. JohnnyNubPotato

    JohnnyNubPotato broke af HERO

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    Sorry to be an English hound, but this isn't correct grammar. "Their" implies multiple people have died, what you would prefer to use is "his or her". I personally just use "his" instead of "his or her", simply since it is the old-fashioned way of referring to a person whose gender is not specified. Same thing with the word "man" in words such as "everyman", "chairman", "policeman", even just the general use of the word "man" in literature.

    My solution is just to change the death messaging system entirely, so it specifies how the player died/what the player was killed by instead of the player just "meeting his/their/his or her demise".

    Edit: There was a thread about this in the past, and it ended up getting shut down due to a mini flame war starting. I understand your concern, and I would implore you and others to treat this issue with some caution, as some people can be very sensitive. Judging from the current replies, it seems that people are treating it well, which is good to see.
     
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  10. Stormarend

    Stormarend Bonks

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    While this is true, the way the quest explains it is lazy and unbelievable.
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    The "singular they" has existed for centuries and is well ingrained in common speech. I'd say it's perfectly reasonable to use "they" as a genderless pronoun.
     
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  11. Ingo

    Ingo [105*/Ma|102/Sh|100/Wa]

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    Same for me
     
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  12. PatheticFlower

    PatheticFlower peter mushroom griffin VIP

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    while I don't mind how the player is referred to at all, I don't think it's a worthy use of time to go around hunting down every piece of dialogue to change single words just to make sure the players gender is never mentioned. making sure it's not in updated content is fine, but what's the point of sucking out such a small detail from a super small handful of text when the ct could spend their time actually creating new things or even just living their lives
     
  13. flyingman

    flyingman Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    Not really, the initial dialouge says "Are ye a female? I can't see under your hat"
     
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  14. Stormarend

    Stormarend Bonks

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    That's what I initially thought, but the CT is actually doing it now so I see no point in not helping them.
     
  15. Theeef

    Theeef God of 4 AM Profession Rants HERO

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    Yes, there are several and it's definitely not unintentional. The player is assumed to be all sorts of things throughout various quests, discoveries, etc.
     
  16. JaydonTheWarrior

    JaydonTheWarrior Game Designer & Romantically Lonely. HERO

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    I'm fairly certain this has more to do with role-playing then politics...
     
  17. Linnyflower

    Linnyflower Unmodified Avatar HERO

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    you're assumed to be male throughout the storyline and in the guards dialogue
    but yeah I don't see any issue with this
     
  18. Minitinipower

    Minitinipower Join me in coffee and philosophy

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    since i've learned french, I sometimes use the masculine term when the gender is unknown.

    he ----> male or female
    she ----> always female
     
  19. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO Oh no, I lost my plague somewhere near Gelibord! VIP+

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    I personally don't care, but in the worst case scenario you can use "it", which is truly neutral
     
  20. Samsam101

    Samsam101 some fruman retard

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    Well there is a retextured Alex skin in the wynnpack meaning that clearly there is intention for there to be varying genders but I guess they just forgot about it when making the quests. They should probably