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Buff Tidebinder

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Ingo, Apr 2, 2020.

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  1. Ingo

    Ingo [105*/Ma|105/Sh|104/As|103*/Wa]

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    Tidebinder is supposed to be the endgame water spear for warrior. However, it completely fails at this...

    Requirements:
    • Combat level 99
    • 65 intelligence

    Damage:
    • 345-425 ❉ Water

    Stats:
    • -17% to -32% melee damage
    • +1/4s to +3/4s mana regen
    • +13 intelligence
    • +massive water and fire defense%, -thunder defense%
    • +reflection
    Having -melee damage and +mana regen/+int, it's supposed to be used in endgame spell builds (Pure spell, not hybrid). However, it's damage output is extremely low.

    How can this be fixed?

    • Change the attack speed to normal (Without changing the base damage!!). I tried making builds with this, it's a bit weaker then The Forsaken (usually 10k unboosted bash dmg) as you can see in this build.
    • However, as it's supposed to be a pure spell spear, change the melee damage from base -25% to base -85%, meaning you'd only melee in order to charge curse and trigger life steal
    • Change the required intelligence from 65 to 116 meaning you'll always have 129 int when using it (because of the +13 int boost). Also 116 intelligence means you can't use a basic 105 int build.
    • Give it spell cost raw IDs: -1 Charge and Uppercut cost but +1 to +3 Bash and War Scream cost.
    • Because shift-Uppercut + Charge is great for travelling give it base -10% walk speed (or even lower, but then maybe -2 Charge cost).
    • +2 (base) Bash and War Scream cost also encourages players to use shift-Uppercut + Charge and prevents them from spamming Bash.
    • Because The Forsaken exists, you'll only use it for EWF or TWF, meaning WF will always be included while you'll never use WA. To make this clear for everyone, bring the water and fire defense% to the same level, but remove the thunder defense% (75% water def + 50% fire def - 25% thunder def is +100% in total, so maybe split it into +50% water def and +50% fire def). You could also add -20 agi but +7 def (total neg. skill points: -20 (-20 agi), total pos. skill points: +20 (+13 int, +7 def)).
    • That's what the new Tidebinder would look like!
     
  2. Lexwomy

    Lexwomy Lexwomy VIP+

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    im pretty sure tidebinder is a tankier spear
     
  3. Ingo

    Ingo [105*/Ma|105/Sh|104/As|103*/Wa]

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    For comparison, here's a basic The Forsaken spell build.
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    Then it would need high rainbow def% instead of having +water and fire def% and -thunder def%.
     
  4. Lexwomy

    Lexwomy Lexwomy VIP+

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    not necessarily
    its a water tank spear
    it's not designed to be a rainbow tank spear
     
  5. Ingo

    Ingo [105*/Ma|105/Sh|104/As|103*/Wa]

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    But having only high def in 2 elements might be helpful against certain bosses but nothing else
     
  6. by2011

    by2011 category creator VIP+

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    Limiting Tidebinder's usage within any WA build isn't the right direction (probably maybe perhaps). Tidebinder, being a defensive spear, should in theory be at least better than The Forsaken in WFA. Maybe it isn't right now, but rather than circumventing the problem, we should fix it.

    With the change that I just addressed, you'd essentially be saying that Tidebinder should be built in TWF or EWF or ETW. With the -ws penalty, you'd essentially be nerfing the TWF and EWF builds, as walk speed isn't as abundant in those archetypes, ergo, would have more impact.

    Spell costs do seem interesting, but one thing to consider is that they'd really be promoting double Draoi Fair to get 1 cost all spells (although maybe Anima is sufficient there).
     
  7. Ingo

    Ingo [105*/Ma|105/Sh|104/As|103*/Wa]

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    Well then maybe add more +1st and +4th spell costs... It's only a concept and still needs balancing.
    Also double draoi means no moon pool circlet and no intensity...
     
  8. Druser

    Druser ele defs don't matter HERO

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