An Idea Which May ' Ease The Pain ' ...

LOL. When you tell no one in particular what they can do with themselves if they disagree with you, that's pretty much an invitation to a flame war with anyone who happens to disagree with you.

 

Oh, the thing I put in the actual thread! Yeah, I should not have put that; I thought I was being rebellious but that definitely did not go well. Asides that, what do you personally think of this idea?

 

It *might* help. My only concern with it is that there is a chance that players could end up with even worse stats after a re-roll.

 

I agree - that is one of my only concerns too. However, it is definitely an option to re-roll an item; if they feel like it's too intense of a risk, they should oppose to re-rolling their item again. Additionally, this may balance peoples feelings towards the update; giving people the opportunity to have one more chance of a re-roll could potentially bring enlightenment, more excitement and hope.

 

I say why not, it would calm the rage, however it would definitevely be "abused" by people suddendly buying [4] sucky mythics lol
Also do items with no reroll go [-1]? xD that would be kool to have that lol

 

I think the way they should do it is by lessening the amount of emeralds needed to re-roll again, so it's more of a 'free re-roll', therefore people who have no re-rolls will not be affected. Knowing people on Wynn, if they had a mythic which went to [-1], they would sell it for an insane price - so I believe staff should avoid doing it that way.

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An idea which just came to mind: for this to work, the persons re-roll count needs to be [4]. After [4], the re-roll price becomes unbelievable and most of Wynn do not want to pay that much to re-roll again. Therefore, what they should do is set the price to get to [5] to 0 emeralds. It would be possible this way because all they need to do is change how much the item identifier wants to get to [5], changing their current coding or whatever they do, for all items. And it wouldn't be abusable either!

 

Bump! xo !

 

That all makes sense!
Though we would have to make sure you couldn't get illegal rerolls

I.E. the stage when you physically CANT reroll anymore cuz your inv wont have enough space for stacks of LE

 

1 question:
what about the ones who have no rerolls?

 

An idea which just came to mind: for this to work, the persons re-roll count needs to be [4]. After [4], the re-roll price becomes unbelievable and most of Wynn do not want to pay that much to re-roll again. Therefore, what they should do is set the price to get to [5] to 0 emeralds. It would be possible this way because all they need to do is change how much the item identifier wants to get to [5], changing their current coding or whatever they do, for all items. And it wouldn't be abusable either!

 

So you want to make the fifth reroll free no matter what? How isn't that abusable..

Anyways, the idea is good, sure but it's not a solution whatsoever. A reroll leaves the item's stats up to pure luck, and if this is meant to relieve the pain of the update lowering stats then this wouldn't work at all. Items that people prefer to use are almost always really good and top tier. There would be few IDs that got destroyed by rounding (that being attack tier or mana) while the others remain good. Why would you reroll when most stats are good and only one isn't? That's an invitation to a much shittier item.

This isn't an actual solution to any issues, it's just a distraction.

 

As stated, it's an optional solution for certain players. However, it's something which can potentially distract people from the terrible ID's they could have ended up with. Some people have seriously lost a lot of LE from this rounding, and they should at least be rewarded with something which could distract them from the sorrow it may have caused. A distraction is better than nothing.

If they then get a shittier item, then theres only them to blame; it's an option to re-roll something. It's just like if you have brilliant ID's at [2] re-rolls, re-roll so it's [3], and then end up with something mortifying - you only have yourself to blame. It's a decision to make.

You have to not think about yourself, and think about the less money-rich people. This statement may cause an offence, but it's an opinion so please do not take it to heart.

 

Negative criticism is good if it's constructive, and doesn't occupy bait to begin a flame-war.

 

Well, this thread went south didn't it?

A suggestion was made to please people due to ID changes, but instead of an minor debate, we got a short essay on offenses and swears.

I am one of those "not rich" people. I have been here since 2014, I have a pumpkin, zomble head, 7 stacks and a white horse. That's it. I used to have a build, but not anymore. My issue with the change of ID rounding isn't about the rolls. It's about the fact how was it done, when was it done and what are the consequences.

With the ID changes, Archer's meta has been hit hard. I wouldn't care if in fact the meta was OP, so it deserved a nerf. It's archer, nothing about it was OP. Air+water was only way to play the game, solo, effectively, and have a decent chance at killing end-game bosses. My build has been ruined and I have nothing else to go to. All my SP on gear has been carefully planed out to fit the last piece of gear into the build. After the ID changes, and after the hive SP changes, my build will be further demolished. I never abused anything, never used bunch of OP items in a single build. Heck, I never even followed a single guide, I came up with my builds on my own trough trial and error. That's what hurts the most. Time spent for nothing. No free re-rolls are going to ease that.

What would ease my pain is a combat revamp. Water+air shouldn't be the only viable combination to kill the bosses. I wanna see fire archer. I wanna see regen archer. That is what would ease my pain.

 

<== Unhappy. You do NOT want mods to be unhappy. You do NOT want to open a flame war when someone asks you to not start one. You do NOT want to make a flame comment on Discord, or just about anywhere else, then bring it into the forums. Every comment that was over the line, and most of the responses to them, have been deleted.

Chill.

Stick to the topic.

Go read the Change Log.
'nuff said.

 

Yes, that is really unfortunate - and I agree a lot. Especially when it comes to items like Prism - it's not just removing 1SP from the ring, it's removing up to 1SP from each category, which can be the potential removing a total of 5SP. Additionally, I relate to you saying 'time spend for nothing', and other people may agree too. A lot of people spend hours and hours trying to create a 'perfect' build to match their own distinctive play style, which aren't abusable, and now the builds are unusable. But personally, when it comes to Archer and killing bosses, I highly suggest using 'Curse' and 'Concentration'. The combination of them both lead me to being able to solo Qira without a problem, however it is very costly - which is a HUGE drawback!

Thank you for your feedback and support, and I hope staff gets the opportunity to seek your comment and discuss it as the points you are making are meaningful to me, and hopefully other members.

 

This is where fixing the calculation errors is causing the worst problems for players. It's not just SP from one item, its SP from multiple items. @Selvut283 , I hate to have to ask you in here to help, but I think we could use your insight, here. I'm personally at a loss as to how to deal with this part, also.

 

There's no realistic way to make it fair for everyone without either giving out items for free, which doesn't make sense to do and can be easily abused, or giving everyone an extra roll boost on every item they own which, again, is easily abused. There's no way to truly verify fairly for everyone.

 

How would be giving everyone an extra roll be abusable? With the method of selling everyones re-rolls back by one (e.g. [3] to [2]) is abusable as people assume having less re-rolls on an item means it can sell for more - therefore it's classed as abusable. Using the method of giving people temporary access to having their [5] re-roll free-of-charge isn't exactly abusable, in my eyes.

 

Again, distraction, not a solution. Not by a long shot. For something that doesn't fix something I'm not convinced it's worthy of partially rewriting the identification system.