Quest List Of Quests That Are In Dire(?) Need Of Rework And/or Resolution.

@Saya you're probably interested lmao
Anyways I agree for the most part with a lot of these, however I don't see the need to introduce the powder master in elemental exercise- if you walk the path you're supposed to through nivla forest, you should already have encountered one.

 

Underice is at least somewhat interesting too. We even have a choice.

At least you can prepare the items beforehands. (not an excuse but at least something)

Still not a good quest. As long as it has professions, it can't be improved.

I agree that it is too short, but I wouldn't say a fetch quest. It has some feel to it.

 

I'd argue that fetch quests in general aren't automatically bad. Most fetch quests in Wynn are done poorly, yes, but it's not impossible to make a "fetch quest" that's fun. Your definition of a fetch quest says that it's simply getting an item for an NPC, but that leaves a lot of room for creativity inside it. For example, Beneath the Depths, as mentioned is a good quest. I'd also argue that Recipe for Disaster is a good quest, though I'm aware that not everyone shares that opinion.

The rest of the list I generally agree with.

 

yep
honestly just re-purpose elemex as a catch-all id/combat/element tutorial, I bet anyone remotely familiar can do it... oh wait

 

I’d say these five are the ones that most need, along with A Fighting Species, From the Mountains, and Reclaiming the House, which all also just generally suck.

Bob’s Lost Soul is a relic of a quest and REALLY shouldn’t be a new player’s first major introduction to Bob, especially since he’s a lot more integral to the lore of Ragni. The lore and game have evolved a lot since this quest was introduced and it shows

Lost tower... is Lost tower. It’s bad and could probably be removed entirely without anyone caring

Green Gloop mostly annoys me because the goddamn slime scooper keeps reappearing in my inventory on a /fixquest but beyond that the slime collection part still doesn’t make sense lorewise and is boring gameplay wise

I’ve already said my part about the Greenskin Quests. They need a rework, and the entirety of the Llevigar plains needs lore.

I’d also like to add a few quests that I think should be on this list;
-The Maiden Tower (haha shrek but the quest is literally two bosses and a really out of place puzzle. Why is this the introductory quest for the swamp? It’s just bad.)
-Crop Failure (slimes are supposed to be a slykaar thing and undeads are supposed to be a wynn thing; the dialogue is good but the gameplay falls into the ‘walk to a place, kill a thing’ trap that really makes up too many gavel quests)
-Shadow of the Beast (Walk to a place, fetch cow parts, walk to another place, fetch wood, walk to another place, fetch naga tails, walk to another place, buy cobblestone, walk to another place, kill a thing, walk to bigfoot’s den, deal with an out of place puzzle, deal with Bigfoot’s janky ass hitbox, walk ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE START, finish quest.)

there’s also The Worm Holes, which is pretty fetchy as well tbh and falls under this category

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I’m gonna quote myself here:

 

Wasn't Mixed feelings also left unfinished? The separatist leader wasn't found and I'm pretty sure there's more of them

 

Completely agree

 

Time to spill out my thoughts with this.

I agree that Mushroom Man is pretty mundane, but this simplicity is, in my opinion, what makes the quest shine. Not every quest has to have some really elaborate story, in fact, I'd say that this quest should annoy you because of Yayha's just sheer insanity. It's a weird quest (mushrooms?) but actually sets the scene that new players didn't know existed for ???, and even Shattered Minds, honestly.

The bowl part is also kinda fine. This is probably the first time players see the Nivla Village. When you hear the discovery jingle and see the town in the trees, it's definitely a cool feeling.

Change it however you want, but I still want this simplicity in the quest, even if it's a little fetchy.

I find it fine that the structure is hard to navigate. In fact, that's probably one of the entire points of the quest (emphasis on the "lost" in "Lost Tower"). Although I do agree it's quite fetchy, keep the complex structure inside the tower.

in my opinion, house of twain is NOT a fetch quest. May i remind you, I doubt most, if any, new players will know to buy a ghostly cap, because they'll probably explore the mansion first, which leads them to getting a ghostly cap (unless they use the wiki, but the wiki ruins a lot of fun). After that, they must figure out a few more puzzles, before dropping below a grave, doing another puzzle, and then fighting a boss.

This is not a fetch quest, it's a small journey. It only seems fetchy to the experienced players that buy a ghostly cap beforehand, already have a ghostly cap, and already know every single step.

Now, what IS a fetch quest, is Clearing the Camps. THAT's how i would define a fetch quest.

And this simplicity, like Mushroom Man, is in my opinion, what leads to it's charm. Not every quest has to be crazy detailed and convoluted. It may be a fetch quest, but it sets a perfect stage for An Iron Heart Part II. It's a malfunctioning golem, something everyone would think as as very normal, and it might be a little suspicious once you're fighting it, but once you do An Iron Heart Part II, the puzzle pieces just click together.

The scary realization in An Iron Heart Part II partly backs off of An Iron Heart Part I, when you realize that golem you killed was actually a villager in itself, shoved inside of a golem.

I agree with most of your points here, but I feel like the fact that it's a "glorified fetch quest" is intentional. Like it or not, and I don't, the quest wants you to be mad, especially with the snooty asshole that is Kelight. Although I do believe this definitely should be reworked, I still like that it backs itself off of other quests. It gives a small sense of progression.

The fetch quest is the gimmick here. And I actually liked it, which might be weird. The fact that you slowly accumulate really weird items from solving a chain of problems is really satisfying for me. It gives me slight From The Bottom vibes, and I also like that quest (although this is probably an unpopular opinion).

Please DO NOT rework this. This is intended to be a fetch quest. It's a SATIRE of one.

Yes, it is annoying, but-

I don't know, there's a part of it that makes me want to keep it.

I actually think it is fine. Maybe not the best intro quest, but after adding the loot chest and less emphasis on professions, i'm a lot more satisfied with it.

Although I DEFINITELY think that it should teach combat much better.

You DO NOT understand the power of this quest (no, this is not a meme).

When you exit the gates of Ragni, going to Therck, you begin to absorb the beauty of this new land, learn the nature of the mobs, and find an item identifier and a blacksmith along the way. There are also quite a few loot chests, and a very spooky looking cave that has pigmen in it. This beauty of the simplicity that is Emerald Trail is the pinnacle of Enzan's Brother.

The point of Enzan's Brother isn't to talk to Enzan's brother, no. It's to absorb the beauty of entering a new world, killing mobs, and learning many mechanics indirectly along the way.

And I love it. Not every quest has to teach you by slapping instructions in your face (like cough cough Elemental Exercise), the greatness of Enzan's Brother is that it teaches you indirectly.

And no, of all quests, Enzan's Brother is not meant to introduce players to crafting. That's King's Recruit.

Now, this.

This, I agree with, along with many others.

The amount of exaggeration in this quest is crazy, and the fact that it goes off on a tangent at the end and doesn't even try to teach you anymore, just tells you to get the fuck out of the cave (???) and then the quest is over.

No mention of how elemental defences are ADDITIVE?! and not multiplicative?!?!!?!?!

NOT TO MENTION NOT EVEN MENTIONING POWDERS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE FUCKING ELEMENTS?

anyways.

the quest overexaggerates about elements way too much, which leaves players extremely paranoid about their elemental defences and weapon choices, to the point where it dominates them. It also doesn't tell the player stuff that it should tell them.

Like saya said, it could also encompass ID explanation, since if you asked a new player what the fuck Reflection did, I doubt they would know off the top of their head.

So that concludes my hellhole of thoughts.

 

ToL is, by far, my least favorite quest. It requires you to:

• Complete 8 quests prior to it (some containing even more fetching, like Bob’s Lost Soul and Ice Nations for Climbing Helm);
• Go to multiple areas spread across the entirety of Wynn (and the ocean) just so you can talk to one NPC, give it an item and move on to the next one;
• Kill a level 100 boss that can obliterate you in a split second (although it is a good challenge that prepares the player for endgame content).

I could put up with this, especially considering the quest’s age, which, back in the day, where 75 was the max, gave a really nice boost so you could get closer to max to kill Bob. The problem is, it aged like milk. The trainer grind spot got butchered (spawnrate is abysmal now), and the only good thing you get from it is the EXP (which you could’ve gotten way faster during the time it took to actually complete the quest). Like, I went through all this trouble, traveling across the map, doing quests and beating a boss that’s 30 levels above me just to get access to one boss altar, a bank and a “””””grind spot”””””. Not even any emeralds or anything to compensate for it. Only a helmet and some EXP (helmet can be decent if you need a replacement, but it’s nowhere near being worth the trouble).
It desperately needs a rework, and I couldn’t agree with you more on this.

 

The 8 quests thing isn't bad, as most people have already done those 8 quests and the quests themselves are relatively quick.

If you get the items beforehand the quest becomes much faster to do, taking only around 10-15 minutes or less, and most of that is CoW fighting.

I don't see the problem with CoW's difficulty. It is a balanced boss and is supposed to be hard.

I like ToL because it's a good recap of the Wynn province, and again, doesn't take long if you have the items, and CoW is always a nice challenge to do on a newer class. Also you don't get Bob weapons without doing it.

 

the one thing i really despise about ToL is that you need the quest helmet EVEN IN THE BOSS which is the dumbest thing ever made

 

Can't you take it out right in the bossroom? I'm not sure.

 

I tried doing that and it just kicks you out

 

Okay. Well, at least the helmet is alright, but some changes would be good.

 

you forgot the realm of light for quest helmets (helmet of shimmering light)

 

i can see where you're coming from, but i feel like there should be some simple quests in the game. at least the numbers were massively reduced, even though the FUCKING WOOD ASH TAKES EIGHTEEN FUCKING YEARS TO GET HOLY SHIT