Remove Crafting Levels

What would happen if the sun went dark forever? The balance on earth would break... The same with this.

 

It’s because of how much comments posted in this thread with most of them are just arguing over and over (me and you).

 

that doesnt make sense at all
the crafting levels arent vital whatsoever

 

I did say to you your answer is in this thread from salted.

But it seems you don’t want to go there so here are the four reasons that salted stated (of course i recommend you to read his full comment so you don’t get any wrong ideas about what he thinks):

Crafting levels exists for a few reasons, not just to be a dick and make you waste time and resources.

First, it increases the value of high level items. If we let anyone craft anything, then crafted items would lost a lot of value and become even more useless.

Secondly, it encourages end-game players to craft good items and sell some of those to low level players instead of throwing them out. If levels were removed, nobody would craft good stuff for low levels and they would be left out of the market.

Third, using high tier resources and ingredients allows you to really, really fly out of the early levels. Current end-game peeps will generally know about it, causing them to buy good resources from others to power-level and, like the crafted items, will create a market for low level ingredients and resources.

Fourth, we want situations to happen where somebody gets known as a great X, and can use that fame to craft amazing and unique items using their secret recipe and sell them for a premium. Without levels, those would become too common and so, not as special to be worthspending time on great recipes.

Edit: Sorry for using salted so much but it’s the only offical answer that i know off.

 

I think these things are possible without a crafting level, imo. These are kind of "because we said so" reasons.

 

How are these possible without crafting level?
I would really like to see alternative for crafting levels if you have any.
Edit: If you really know alternative for crafting levels please don’t hesitate to make a thread about it.

 

I told you already that the rarity of the crafting materials should suffice.

 

First by materials you mean ingredients right?
Second you read what salted (sorry for using him again) stated right?

Edit: If you really want to craft what about buying materials, ingredients and crafte with them?

 

You're playing an MMORPG styled game and complaining that you have to actually grind a bit to be able to craft max tier god armour(s) for your class.... Just doesn't make sense to me, that'd be way to damn easy. Not all of us are going to start at level 100. Take this update as something new to do, not to complain about.

I can't see any benefit from removing crafting levels, it's only going to make the game and progression to run the economy that much easier for already max tier players.

 

1. how does a crafting level requirement to even make these items increase value? i think the level requirement for farming/woodworking, mining and alchemy already increases the value of items.

2. selling high level requirement gear to low level players
i think you can see the problem in that :kek:

3. the market is for ingredients which have a level requirement anyway. The value of ingredients will still be there since you need to be like level 80 to mine diamonds in the canyon of the lost so people could just buy diamonds at level like 70. The value wont change if you remove a crafting requirement exactly because theres still a level requirement to mine, fish, farm and hack away at wood

4. being famous wont make weapons magically better vs crafting if youre not famous. Why would a crafting requirement even help make a guy famous. hes famous because of the weapons and gear he makes not because of the crafting level he has. also no they wouldnt be more common because A: theres still an ingredient gathering requirement and B: no matter what people can just buy the gear and ingredients no matter their level. And theres still a level requirement on gear. a lvl 1 player can buy a lvl 100 helmet but that doesnt mean they can wear it. It just means they have it. im pretty sure all craftable items have a combat level requirement so that means there are 2 requirements to make gear.
overall the crafting requirement can be bypassed or is just irritating. imagine a guy with lvl 100 crafting but lvl 80 combat level. they cant use their lvl 100 spear they made
Or lvl 100 combat but lvl 80 crafting. they cant craft a spear for their level

 

First off, the update should have considered how much grinding vets would have to do. Second, you're going to be making subpar gear for a LOOOOONNNGGGG time until you max everything out. Third, this "new" thing to do is hold left click in front of resources and making hundreds of useless weapons in order to make something useful. Seems like pointless, boring, mind numbing grinding to me.

 

I refuse to listen to the opinion of someone who doesn't know you can shift click to have it auto craft for you. This game isn't about the "vets" nor is it about the "new people" it's about having an experience you would find on top tier games, through minecraft. Tell me one major MMORPG where you don't have to level both gathering and crafting skills and I'll give you this one.

 

1) Supply and demand curve. The less people that can make something whilst keeping demand the same increases the items value.

2) This already happens. People sell or just give random legendaries like tide binders to friends or ransoms who are low levels. They are given in advance as they cannot use them. Crafting levels have a combat lvl req and depending on their ingredients used sometimes a skill point req.

3) I don't really get what you trying to say. I'll have another read when I've been awake for more then five minutes.

4) Not 100% sure where this came from but! Being famous increases the value your ur product even if it is of the same quality as another's.
Nike shoes are ganna cost a shit ton more then some relatively unknown brand in America even if it costs that brand more the create (since they can't bulk buy or use swear shops like Nike does / did not sure if they still use sweat shops)


My personal opinion on the matter is that these high tier items need to be difficult to be made. Not everyone will try to make them because not everyone needs to.
The crafting system while it has been pushed for by the loot run system is still 100% optional. It is not needed to complete any part of the game. No quest that Ik of requires it. No place on the map requires it for entry.
Although as the system is new I'm sure there will be slight tweaks in terms of exp gain and requirements since gathering and crafting is significantly slower then combat level.

Apologies for typos am on mobile.

 

1- It’s eaiser to make high level items because you’ll only need to buy the stuff or grind them and craft meaning no need to grind/craft for 100 hours to make a high level item.
2- Without crafting levels most people will just make high level items meaning that those who are low levels won’t have many good items to buy from the market resulting in making the lower level players to have no effect in the market.
3- It’s neede so that low level ingredients/materials will have value because high level won’t just go buy level 100 materials they will need to buy material/ingredients from level 1-100 resulting inmaking the lower level material/ingredients to be of value.
4- With crafting levels it will be more diffucelt to discover secret recips wich will make someone famouse and that is cool, even if someone has level 100 in crafting and level 80 in combat level they will be still usefull in making items and sell them and buy items that is in ramge of his level or just make items in his range level.

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Again did you read salted comment (and again sorry for using him) he siad that this update is foucess in economy not a new way to easily get OP and you don’t need to grind for hours you can just buy the resourse and craft with them.

 

1: there are still requirements to make these things past the crafting requirement. there are so many requirements if the economy did go down it wouldnt go down by much if you remove crafting requirements

2: then salted didnt make a great point if it already happens and didnt hurt the economy in the past

3: im saying the other requirements cause the value to still be high even if you remove crafting requirement

4: nike shoes are more famous because theyre alot better than other brands. if i see a spear that does lets say 4000 damage sold for 1 le im gonna buy it over a spear that does 3000 damage
now lets say that spear costs 32 eb. ill buy that because the price is significantly lower. there was an economy before that acted the exact same as it does now but the only difference now is that gear is hard locked behind like 5 skills if you wanna make it

besides im sure people will buy and sell the gear that you get from farming enemies over what you get from crafting since crafting is an awful long boring system that takes many hours to be able to make good stuff.

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im getting sick of this reply formant lol

1: its not easier to make high level items because of all the level restrictions and crafting is the hardest restriction because even if you get super good ingredients crafting hurts your ability to make good gear from them
2: yea its existed like that forever that isnt a point for the crafting system
3: people will buy whatever ingredients they need for their level. but crafting level causes a lvl 100 warrior to make a lvl 5 spear which yknow is irritating
4: you think theyre wont be threads on secret recipes? people buy better stuff because its better only idiots buy stuff because of the face behind it. like i said before ill buy a 4000 damage spear for 1 le over 3000 for 1 le but if a spear is 3000 damage for 32 eb ill buy that because its a better deal

 

Yes, I read the Salted comment. I even said I disagreed with it.

How did you assume I didn't know about the auto craft thing? I knew about it, it's still annoying even with it.

 

1- It will be so much eaiser because all players who has money can easily make them but with crafting level you’ll need to craft/grind for +100hours or you can craft/buy matreails/ingredients instead of grinding them but it will cost a lot.

2- It’s important for the economy because without crafting levels lower level players won’t effect the economy.

3- This is important to make crafting harder and have high value because without crafting levels anyone can craft level 100 Amazing items just by buying the ingredients and materials, it’s so mich eaiser if your high level because you can get tier tools eaisly, travel much more faster and you can buy ingredient/metrials to help you level up faster meaning if your high level player you can easily level up your crafting level to 40-50 and of course it won’t be good if you can just instanly go to level 100 effort so you’ll still beed effort to level your crafting level and that is a good thing, beside that if you want a good crafted item just buy it but if you wamt to craft level 100 item you’ll need to work it will be horrible if everyone can make level 100 item just by buying them.

4- With crafting levels secret recipes will have more value and of course there will thread for secret recipea, i will buy the better/cheaper item too.

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Why do you disagree with him?
Is it because you’ll need to grind for hours just to make something useful if so than you get the wrong purpose of crafting it’s for the economy and there are still many fun parts in it, instead level up your crafting level and make some good items and sell them to get some emeralds, this is the economy update and this means you’ll need to interact with people if you use crafting because it will be eaiser for you, sell your lower level items that you craft and buy something useful.

 

Please add a poll i do agree with this as a lvl 100 mage, i find gathering levels ok but crafting levels just isn't high level friendly.

 

if you remove crafting levels, how will you restrict endgame ingredients to the endgame?
for example, without a crafting level req, I could make an absolutely overpowered (for the level) weapon using level 90 ingredients
Sorry if this was answered in the thread already

Under the current system, you could do the same thing, but you'd need to grind and by the time you reach the required crafting level you're likely at the appropriate combat level anyway

 

I do agree that it seems like a waste to be forced to craft weak and useless items just for the sake of increasing crafting level, but just giving people all the recipes would make it really easy to make those items. I think a better idea would be to make recipes obtainable through a different method, the simplest of which is just buying them via emeralds, but that presents a whole new category of challenges. Another idea I have been thinking about is perhaps using some of the crafting ingredients for another purpose: researching the crafting recipes.

Ex. perhaps each ingredient gained from mobs and the like could be converted to a sort of Research Point system (those who have seen one of my other threads may realize this name is extremely unique) and those Research Points are used to unlock the higher level research. Basically, replacing useless crafting with specific mob grinding.

While this is not a perfect idea, I would rather go grind a certain set of mobs to gain recipes rather than waste time gathering resources I have no use for just to increase my crafting level.