Game Mechanics Improving 2 More Controversial "Ultimate Abilities"

ChrisWildfire · Oct 6, 2023

ChrisWildfire said: ↑

While you have 64+ Turbulence or more, your Arrow Bomb would create a wind Vortex upon explosion.
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just realized that I didn't think about how this would interact with Bouncing/Grape Bomb

Should Arrow Bombs from Bouncing/Grape Bombs be capable of making Vortices too? or should the ability only be "trigger-able" from the first Arrow Bomb explosion?

Probably only from the first Arrow Bomb explosion lest it becomes as awkward as shadestepper's Death Magnet. Surely that's possible, it'd be just bouncing bomb but vortex instead of bouncing bomb.

Elytry · Oct 6, 2023

ChrisWildfire said: ↑

just realized that I didn't think about how this would interact with Bouncing/Grape Bomb

Should Arrow Bombs from Bouncing/Grape Bombs be capable of making Vortices too? or should the ability only be "trigger-able" from the first Arrow Bomb explosion?

Probably only from the first Arrow Bomb explosion lest it becomes as awkward as shadestepper's Death Magnet. Surely that's possible, it'd be just bouncing bomb but vortex instead of bouncing bomb.
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Definitely not with bouncing or grape bombs. The game will crash when it tries to figure out where to shoot the arrow. Isn't there a cooldown too?

ChrisWildfire · Oct 6, 2023

General Graken said: ↑

Definitely not with bouncing or grape bombs. The game will crash when it tries to figure out where to shoot the arrow. Isn't there a cooldown too?
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What could happen is the ability could go off-cooldown while you have a Bouncing Bomb goin, which could create a vortex from said Bouncing Bomb if you have enough turbulence.

That mechanic would defo feel really awkward, so nah it won't be a thing: you may only form a vortex from the first collision of your Arrow Bomb.

Elysium_ · Oct 6, 2023

ChrisWildfire said: ↑

What could happen is the ability could go off-cooldown while you have a Bouncing Bomb goin, which could create a vortex from said Bouncing Bomb if you have enough turbulence.

That mechanic would defo feel really awkward, so nah it won't be a thing: you may only form a vortex from the first collision of your Arrow Bomb.
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Also, they could just block each other out. Although, that seems a bit… pointlessly limiting.

ChrisWildfire · Oct 10, 2023

Phanleanhkhoi said: ↑

very cool. but turbelence instead of +2 arrow streams kinda sucks.
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I just realized that you're talking about Arrow Hurricane.

Arrow Hurricane would still be a thing! Arrow Hurricane would be boltslinger's third red node, while Wind Vortex would be boltslinger's second red node, perhaps replacing Leap in the tree and with Divine Flurry replacing Better Leap.

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Also, they could just block each other out. Although, that seems a bit… pointlessly limiting.
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Yep! Wind Vortex would also make Bouncing Bomb a lot more powerful by making the bounced Arrow Bomb hit your target again!

Phanleanhkhoi · Oct 10, 2023

ChrisWildfire said: ↑

I just realized that you're talking about Arrow Hurricane.

Arrow Hurricane would still be a thing! Arrow Hurricane would be boltslinger's third red node, while Wind Vortex would be boltslinger's second red node, perhaps replacing Leap in the tree and with Divine Flurry replacing Better Leap.

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Yep! Wind Vortex would also make Bouncing Bomb a lot more powerful by making the bounced Arrow Bomb hit your target again!
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yes please

ChrisWildfire · Oct 13, 2023

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it's a me

This post was made in collaboration with @Elysium_ ! He is a great brainstorming buddy and quality checker, and he makes sure the designed abilities are fun, viable, and fits their respective archetypes both thematically and gameplay-wise! Elysium my man you are very awesome and epic and cool and awesome and I hope you get the shiniest Weathered ever

What's up, suggestions people! I'm back with more red node suggestions for 2 more archetypes: Trickster and Boltslinger!

Trickster's final red node Diversion is a tanky ability that is heavily overshadowed by another red node: Flow State. On the other hand, Boltslinger currently lacks gameplay variety and could use an ability like acrobat's Flow State that would tie all of the archetype's abilities together. With All-Seeing Panoptes being turned to a purple node, it is a good opportunity to design a new red node that would add this variety to boltslinger's gameplay.

Today, we're giving these two archetypes new fitting red nodes that would further amplify their strengths by working with what makes them unique!

Boltslinger is simpler and more straightforward compared to the other archer archetypes. While they can be effective in any fight, they lack any ability or gameplay element that could make playing boltslinger more fun and engaging. Most of boltslinger's nodes simply makes your base spells stronger, but there isn't much to the archetype that rewards good decision making and player interactivity.

We'll be designing a new red node for boltslinger that would add more variety to its gameplay, but first we'll make a very small change to Frenzy.

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Turbulence is pretty much just renamed Frenzy, but with two differences: 1) you would instead gain a trackable and stackable buff that could (and would) be displayed with a boss bar, and 2) the bonus walk speed would decay more dynamically, but still at the same rate of -10% walk speed lost per second.

These changes are simply to make it work with the new red node which was designed to fit the "wind and storm" theme of most boltslinger abilities.

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What makes boltslinger unique is the tons of projectiles they can release in a short amount of time from multiple abilities like Arrow Rain, Escape Artist, Shrapnel, and Arrow Hurricane. While the archetype's fast-paced gameplay can be thrilling, there isn't much else to pay attention to other than where you are and where the enemy is.

We'll be adding a gameplay mechanic to boltslinger that would give them something powerful and exciting to look forward to that they can make use of. I decided to make use of Turbulence's (Frenzy's) design and make it give a more powerful reward for consistent boltslinging. The winds have your back, making sure every arrow you release would find its target.

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(uhh nerf Arrow Rain and Escape Artist?)

How does it work?
While you have 64+ Turbulence or more, your Arrow Bomb would create a wind Vortex upon explosion. If the Arrow Bomb's arrow directly hit a target, the Vortex would be centered on that target and would "stick" to it. If the Arrow Bomb's arrow didn't hit any target, the Vortex would be centered on where the arrow landed and would be stationary.

The Vortex would be sphere-shaped with a diameter of 8 blocks, and would last for 3 seconds. Whenever any of your projectiles enter the Vortex, it would change its trajectory and move towards the center of the Vortex. These projectiles can be intercepted by enemies blocking their new paths. Your projectiles would not be affected by Vortices of other players, and the projectiles of other players would not be affected by your Vortex.

Projectiles affected by Vortices include: your Main Attacks, Arrow Bomb (including Shocking Bomb, and extra Arrow Bombs from Bouncing Bomb or Grape Bomb), Arrow Storm (including all upgrades except Phantom Ray), attacks from Snakes summoned by Ivyroot Mamba, Arrow Rain, Escape Artist, and Shrapnel.

Since Guardian Angels do not shoot projectiles, their attacks are not affected by Vortices. Instead, I designed an optional upgrade that would make your Guardian Angels change their targets based on your Vortex.

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(the faster attack rate is to make Arrow Rain trigger faster for that epic Rain-Vortex combo)

Once your Arrow Bomb forms a Vortex, Wind Vortex would go on a 6s cooldown during which your Arrow Bombs would not create more Vortices regardless of the amount of Turbulence you have.

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Why is it designed this way?
This ability went through... a couple of iterations. However its purpose remained the same: give boltslingers a way to direct your projectiles towards an enemy. This design would tie together the different projectile upgrades boltslingers get as they go further down their tree. This would give the archetype a more solid identity by giving them a node that works with their unique ability to shoot tons of projectiles in a short amount of time, especially with their Spells.

You may be wondering why the Vortex wouldn't pull enemies despite it making a lot of sense. The reason is simple: crowd control is more of a trapper thing, and I wanted to preserve that. Boltslingers relies on mobility rather than crowd control to maintain distance from enemies. Not only would giving powerful crowd control to boltslinger make the archetype too flexible, but it would also muddle both boltslinger's and trapper's roles and identities. Making the Vortex only affect projectiles would maintain the balance between these two archetypes.

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How would this ability help the archetype?
Wind Vortex allows boltslingers to utilize the raw power of the tons of projectiles they can release at once, making them feel and be more powerful in a way that feels fitting with their design. The archetype invites a fast-paced playstyle, and Wind Vortex is capable of escalating this frenzy further with a burst of power and control. This makes the boltslinger gameplay more exciting and varied, and rewards players for staying engaged to the game and making active decisions.

One of the most popular archetype builds right now is Flow State Trickrobat. Tricksters can utilize Echo's spell mimic to quickly reach Flow State's hits requirement, which gives a quick and easy hefty damage buff. Together with Trickster's relatively simple gameplay and the defensive capability of Clones, it's no wonder why a lot of players utilize this combo. The other red node option for Trickster, Diversion, is not as popular as Flow State. While the ability can be strong in its own right, it's tanky and supportive nature made players less fond of it.

Elysium and I designed a new final red node for Trickster that would still provide more defense, but would also increase the archetype's damage potential in a way that is unique to the archetype. Confuse and confound your opponents as they sink into further delirium.

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How does it work?
Once you unlock this ability, the number of Clones you could have simultaneously would be increase by +2: you may have up to 5 Clones without Forbidden Art, or 8 Clones with Forbidden Art. Mirror Image would still summon 3 Clones, or 6 Clones with Forbidden Art. If Mirror Image triggers while you still have Clones active, it would instead add +3 more Clones, or +6 more Clones with Forbidden Art.

Whenever you hit a Lured enemy, you would gain +1 Clone. This ability would still trigger even if you have no Clones active, which would set your current number of Clones to 1. This ability would not trigger if you have 5 Clones active without Forbidden Art, or 8 Clones active with Forbidden Art.

Once Diversion triggers, it would be put on a 6s cooldown during which you cannot summon more Clones from hitting Lured enemies. This cooldown can be reduced with Sandbagging.

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Why is it designed this way?
With the ability Echo, Clones can provide both offense and defense for Tricksters: having more Clones means dealing more damage and tanking more hits. Elysium and I made use of this design to provide both offense and defense to Diversion, which would make it compete better against Flow State while still keeping its defensive aspect.

However simply adding 2 more Clones is not enough to make full trickster worthwhile compared to trickrobat, so we designed a new ability that would support Diversion's new mechanic. My good pal Elysium will explain how the ability would work, as he is behind most of its design!

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Hey there! I’m @Elysium_, and I’m here to explain a new purple node, Element of Surprise. It will replace Even Stronger Clones, both in functionality and location on the tree.

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This ability seems simple at first, but interacts with others in many ways, just like our idea for Diversion!

Utilizing Bamboozle
Many people don’t use Bamboozle because the tradeoff of losing a clone (and, by extent, losing damage) is not worth it for the low scaling. This ability aims to fix this somewhat by making Bamboozle reduce the resistance of enemies hit. This way, Bamboozle doesn’t have to out-damage Spin Attack in order to be worthwhile. You might say, “Losing a clone still isn’t worth 3 seconds of extra damage!” And this is where Diversion comes into play.

Diversion/Element of Surprise Synergies
With the new Diversion, you can instantly gain back the clone you lost from Bamboozle, effectively nullifying the cost and making it worthwhile (if used properly). Since all of your attacks will deal more damage, it will create a better gameplay loop for full tricksters. Instead of just spamming Spin Attack endlessly, you’ll be able to utilize all of your abilities in a way that can make them worth using.

That’s it for my section. Thanks for reading!

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How would these abilities help the archetype?
These two abilities combined would make Clones act as a resource for tricksters, similar to Mana. By integrating underutilized trickster abilities, the archetype would feel more cohesive, making full investment on the archetype more worthwhile. This ability would also widen the options tricksters have in combat, making the archetype's gameplay feel more satisfying and rewarding with how each ability are connected to each other.

I want to acknowledge that these two abilities combined might not be enough to make full trickster more appealing than Flow State Trickrobat. I believe that the hybrid build needs to be nerfed somehow, like by making Forbidden Art and Diversion switch places.

Overall, the goal of these changes is to create variation in the archetypes' gameplay in a way that accentuates their unique strengths. These abilities would allow players to utilize every aspect of their archetype, making it much more worthwhile to fully invest on.

Thank you so much for reading! Remember to like the post and vote in the poll, and feel free to reply with feedback and constructive criticism!

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edited it to include part 1 and part 3 of the Ultimate Abilities posts! check them out!!!!!

ChrisWildfire · Nov 12, 2023

bumping this for the sole reason that it's not getting as much love as the other ultimate ability posts :'D

Elysium_ · Nov 12, 2023

Diversion supremacy!!!

ChrisWildfire · Nov 12, 2023

this post is middle-childed fr

Elysium_ · Nov 12, 2023

ChrisWildfire said: ↑

this post is middle-childed fr
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Very true… it’s my favorite child nonetheless though

Elytry · Nov 14, 2023

ChrisWildfire said: ↑

this post is middle-childed fr
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As a middle child, I concur.

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Very true… it’s my favorite child nonetheless though
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I mean trapslinger and coherent trickster, what else could you want from a suggestion?

Elysium_ · Nov 25, 2023

time for a bump

ChrisWildfire · Dec 23, 2023

wimd vortex

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oh yeah I was gonna change up diversion I forgor

ChrisWildfire · Dec 26, 2023

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How does it work?
Whenever you hit a Lured enemy, you would gain +1 Clone. This ability would still trigger even if you have no Clones active, which would set your current number of Clones to 1. This ability would not trigger if you have 3 Clones active without Forbidden Art, or 6 Clones active with Forbidden Art.

Once Diversion triggers, it would be put on a 4s cooldown during which you cannot summon more Clones from hitting Lured enemies. This cooldown can be reduced with Sandbagging.
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UPDATE: I adjusted Diversion!
I've received some feedback on Diversion from Wynncraft's discord server, and made adjustments accordingly.

This is the old verison:

Changes:
+ Cooldown decreased
- Diversion would no longer increase your max Clones

Thank you so much for the feedback, y'all!

Elytry · Dec 26, 2023

ChrisWildfire said: ↑

UPDATE: I adjusted Diversion!
I've received some feedback on Diversion from Wynncraft's discord server, and made adjustments accordingly.

This is the old verison:
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Changes:
+ Cooldown decreased
- Diversion would no longer increase your max Clones

Thank you so much for the feedback, y'all!
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With the ability Echo, Clones can provide both offense and defense for Tricksters: having more Clones means dealing more damage and tanking more hits. Elysium and I made use of this design to provide both offense and defense to Diversion, which would make it compete better against Flow State while still keeping its defensive aspect.

However simply adding 2 more Clones is not enough to make full trickster worthwhile compared to trickrobat, so we designed a new ability that would support Diversion's new mechanic. My good pal Elysium will explain how the ability would work, as he is behind most of its design!
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You may want to update this bit.

ChrisWildfire · Dec 26, 2023

Elytry said: ↑

You may want to update this bit.
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oH

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i shall do that later(tm)

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Game Mechanics Improving 2 More Controversial "Ultimate Abilities"

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