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World Ancient Wynnic Language Rework

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by hmtn, Oct 29, 2022.

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Do you support this reworK?

  1. Yes

    48 vote(s)
    64.0%
  2. Yes, but with changes

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    2.7%
  3. Neutral

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  4. No

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  5. wait what how

    9 vote(s)
    12.0%
  6. why would you do this? to yourselves, to us?

    23 vote(s)
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  1. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    Not being skilled is not an excuse. I knew next to nothing when I started (though honestly, the result looked like that lol). Just browse wiki and youtube and you will learn.
     
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  2. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    how about gcc
     
  3. TheLMiffy1111

    TheLMiffy1111 Previous Leader Of A Revived Wynn Community CHAMPION

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    Actually, I think some definitions of nouns in different noun classes are a bit too dissimilar, and this feels weird to me as the article and the nouns are separate words
     
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  4. hmtn

    hmtn Archivist of the Realm VIP+

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    The words aren't even given all "broad" definitions, since sometimes the "underlying concept" can't be summed up in english very easily. Like, maybe "Iesu" might be "Mighty figure with mythological implications, whether good or ill?" Not very snappy. You could very easily argue that some 'realizations' of words are different words entirely.

    Alas, this isn't too out there, as far as languages go? Like, articles fundamentally changing the interpretation of a noun isn't unheard of (spoken French, say, for something really european: the article is often the only indicator of plurality). That's is a lexical difference as opposed to a grammatical one, but languages do this all the time, and have definitely done so in stranger forms than "the choice of article determines the exact definition of the word." Hell, you've brought up Kiswahili (220m speakers) before and that language has a system nearly cognate to this one. It's weird, but I wouldn't call it unimaginable for a human language. And the Olm weren't even human.

    re: the skillset
    I mean. You can absolutely learn conlanging. You can learn the basics fairly quickly. But to make interesting/realistic/believable stuff you need kind of a passion for it, since a good 80% of the process is squinting at wikipedia pages or some australian's 135 page long paper trying to figure out what the difference between a constituency and dependency relation is. No matter what, this is eventually gonna happen. And you're gonna need some kind of motivation. And the first run is going to be terrible.
     
  5. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    Another angle to this: meanings change over time. Take for example the word "terrific"- the etymology would imply that the originally meant like "inspiring terror," but nowadays it's used to mean "really good." Perhaps at the beginning the different fire/water/whatever meanings were more true to the root meaning, but over time, as people started using the words in new ways, the meanings diverged. Still traces of the original, but not exactly.
     
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  6. TheLMiffy1111

    TheLMiffy1111 Previous Leader Of A Revived Wynn Community CHAMPION

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    would say that making the article a prefix would make it not weird to me
    idk
     
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  7. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    we don't do that here

    I wouls argue that for all intents and purposes the Olm are practically humans, with some slight differences like age, magic capability, etc.
     
  8. Scydra

    Scydra Travelled Adventurer

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    Hi! Ive learned the Gavellian Alphabet, and was wondering if you were planing to make a phonetic alphabet and language for that too :)
     
  9. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    we are, however we have two projects going on already, so eventually :)
     
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  10. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    Three, you mean?
     
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    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    apparently, yeah
     
  12. hmtn

    hmtn Archivist of the Realm VIP+

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    uh-oh. looks like a number of the images are broken. i've attatched a PDF version of the documentation to the original post. hopefully that's a decent enough stopgap for the deterioration.

    on another note: here's Dogun, by Tranpinch and Xozahqira. it's great and you ought to check it out. i'm in the middle of publishing another one myself, and as Trapinch and Stinkeye mentioned above there are multiple other projects cooking at the moment. if you're even slightly interested in conlanging, i recommend joining the wynntheory discord and giving it a look!

    (it's very fun)
    (join the collective)
     
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  13. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    Actually in that case it is mandatory to join, otherwise you shall be tortured by being forced to translate in Olmic.
     
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    Scydra Travelled Adventurer

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    Great to know, thank you!! If you'd give me an update when it's started or finished it'd be greatly appreciated! Thanks again :D
     
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  15. TrapinchO

    TrapinchO retired observer of the wiki VIP+ Featured Wynncraftian

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    Come to our server and see. Start a convo with me and I'll send the invite.
     
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