Dungeons Endgame "dungeons" Or Raids

Several MMORPGs have endgame raids. Destiny has raids like the Vault of Glass, and World of Warcraft has raids like Hellfire Citadel. However, in Wynncraft these raids would not be like normal dungeons. They would absolutely require teammates and would be a much longer length than normal dungeons. From my playthrough so far, it seems like most dungeons are relatively short, so this would be a good change of pace for players. The ideal raid would be extremely hard even for endgame players and would require several parts where teamwork is absolutely necessary. Having a challenge like this would add actual strategy to doing something in this game instead of just going in and slashing mobs/doing parkour. What do y'all think?

 

Legendary island is a very hard endgame dungeon that takes around 30+ minutes to solo and like 20+ minutes with a team of 2-4. too bad no other item drops other than the tier rewards. I would like a weapon for each class made for if you complete LI multiple times but staff ignore everything so I am talking to a wall rn.

 

I think what Lightning* is suggesting is on a much different scale than LI, which is soloable.

 

We already have the hive, the tower, legendary island and around 4 corrupted dungeons. I, personally, think we have enough endgame dungeons, but I would not be there to protest if more were added!

 

I think he means adding content that requires teamwork. All of what you said is soloable unfortunately.

 

@YYGAYMER

(the tier rewards are pretty good though...)

 

In the past raids were a feature but it got removed probably because of how laggy the raids are.
Pepo: "Swarms used to cause too much lag, that is why the development team decided to remove them." [1] (Misc.)

There was also an attempt to readd the raids but it failed.
Salted: "Swarms! Yea, some of you guys were expecting that because we decided to add swarms info on the stats page. Although, we couldn’t test it with 60 players, so if everything goes well during the beta, it will be added. Let’s pray it does." [1]

Salted: "We think raids would be awesome (especially the way we wanna do them)" [1]
It seems they already have plans on what kind of raids they want to add.

Note: I'm not saying that your post is useless because they are already working on it. It's just to say that they are aware of this, and I would like if there were to be more details like How the raid works? Rewards, and Mobs etc.

 

Another thing I would like to mention is I personally do not like team based events in most games because finding a team for it can be challenging and sometimes your teammates just drag you down.

 

That's a valid opinion, but at the same time I think there's enough solo gameplay in this game. This game really needs more team based gameplay. There are ways to appease multiple playerbases, and I feel as if this is a way to appease the playerbase that likes things that are team based.

 

I think you guys are a bit confused. A raid is NOT a swarm. Swarms were problematic and were removed because of it. A raid would be something like a dungeon except would be far more difficult. raids from other games generally have both puzzles and PVP. Both portions generally have elements which REQUIRE players to communicate and work together to complete. While there is ToA hive as LI all of which are easily soloable with 1 person and not a great challenge. Personally I think the Idea would be super fun. I would bring the community together and have more of a challenge for endgame players. +1 support for sure

 

WRONG!

I understand what he means now, thanks!
But still, Salted said that he will be adding raids which are swarms.

So basically, what he means is to add a dungeon that needs multiple players to finish it. But i wouldn't say that it's a raid. A raid is something like what Minecraft recently added, still the word "raid" do have different meaning, but i would prefer to word it "dungeons".

So yeah, i would recommend removing the "raid" from the suggestion and the title (It's completely fine if you don't want to). @InstantLightning

 

Not necessarily, at least according to MMORPGs. Raids according to MMOS are more like what Im describing. Raids and dungeons are on a completely different level. While a dungeon on Wynncraft takes minutes at max, Raids generally take hours to finish. They are much more difficult and generally have puzzles, hard mobs, and an extremely hard boss. The main thing about raids is that they require teamwork. Generally in MMORPGs the holy trinity is a healer, a tank, and a damage dealer. While dungeons and raids are similar, they are on a completely different level of difficulty.

 

Tbh, I don't understand the suggestion anymore.
What do you mean by raids? Do you mean a place that has stronger mobs and requirs teamwork to finish? If so, I think it's better to call it a dungeon. Or if you mean something like a random portal appears and spawn mobs puzzles that require teamwork to finish then it's a raid.

Can you add details to the suggestion? what I can understand is that you want a dungeon that requirs teamwork and it's very difficult to finish.

 

This is what Im suggesting. Raids can also be called "raid dungeons." The main difference is difficulty and the amount of teamwork needed. For example, on world of warcraft, raids generally have up to 40 people that can participate because it is that hard. That's why it's called a raid, because of the amount of people needed (generally) to finish it is high. I'm being pretty vague with my suggestion right now because there is a lot builders and developers could do with it. However, if you have any more questions regarding it let me know.

 

I understand a little bit by what you mean, but I would prefer to know how it will work on Wynncraft.
Example:
It will be cool if there was a specific place to go and start a raid with multiple players.

-There will be random portals appearing in specific places on the world, it can spawn only in the 50-100 levels.
-It will spawn only when the server has more than 30 players and the server won't restart after 30-60 minutes.
-When a portal appears you'll have two choices 1) ignore it 2) gather some friends and start a raid by joining in the portal.
-If a portal level 50 only level 50-55 players can go into the portal, if it was level 55 only level 50-60 players can go into the portal etc.
-When you go into the portal you'll be in a the start area, and you need to have at least 4-8 players to start the raid depending on how hard the raid is.
-There will be multiple challenges 3-6 fighting mobs, 2-4 parkours, 2-4 puzzles and the 1-1 boss depending on how hard the raid is.
-If a player died he will return to the portal with losing three soul points and he'll have the choice to regroup with them (he won't need to complete the challenges that were defeated).
-The rewards are special tokens for the players that contributed the most, if a player that didn't do anything he wont get anything (If you died you won't lose the contribution points, however you need I finish the raid to get the tokens). There is also a chance for the most players that contributed to get special rewards from the raid.
-You can use the tokens to buy cosmitc stuff and special items (Ex: special potions).

 

A raid boss would need at a minimum 500k natural regen to prevent soloing. Even then, one KoH Curse assist and a super glassy Alka/Cata/Divzer could probably solo 500k regen.

 

The raids would probably be made unsoloable with mechanic based difficulty rather than boss health and DPS

 

*sst and ib intensify*

i mean teamwork dungeons and stuff could be fun but the way the commication and trade works in wynncraft is a bit faulty (shoutbox) and slow (discord and forums trading etc) which makes it kind of hard or time consuming to create a team that even has enough time to do these 'raids'

 

That’s what the guild section is generally for. When these raids pop up, groups that want to do them come around too. On another server when they added dungeons(theyre a bit harder so teamwork was absolutely necessary) a whole bunch of clans and dungeon discords opened up and that worked out on its own. I argue that the same thing would happen with raids.

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Generally raids have other features that make them unsoloable. For example, in the vault of glass on destiny, you have to go in these sort of portals but someone has to stay outside and defend the portals or else you lose. These bosses are meant to be the absolutely hardest in the game so a ridiculous amount of stats would make sense. After all, most raids on video games last hours.

 

Here is an idea: Make it that you can't start the raid without multiple players.

Can you explain exactly how the raids and dungeons works?
Where the raid appears? What level a player needs to do a raid? What time does the raid appear? For how long the raid will be open for players?
Can you explain what kind of dungeons they are? Can you start the dungeon whenever you want or do you need a special item or does it open on specific times?

Or did you mean something else entirely?

I do like the idea of a raid that pops up, and a dungeon that needs teamwork to finish it. But there are no details on what exactly it will be like on Wynncraft, please add details.