Your Opinion On Archer Vs Other Classes (wall Of Text Incoming)[no, Seriously, It's A Wall Of Text]

mage is the only good class i have cuz i had the wonderful idea of throwing all the stuff i had on my archer to the lava.... and the stuff i had on my archer was already bad, now its even worse, like i only use the lvl 1 bow and the helmet of shrining light or whatever its called xD

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NO!!!!!

 

Gotta take a moment to mark the funny irony thats going on here...
Remember pre-gavel? remember what the intire PvE metagame looked like? It was EASY:
Whoever dealt the most hits in the shortest time possible, and with the highest damage was the best class, thats why, at the time at least, it was ARCHER who was considerd most powerful, with his arrow storm litteratly regening your health to full and your mana to max, and at the time, of course, when healing wasn't needed, and only small hits matterd, mage was the weakest, with his lack of damage dealing, and only his heal being a "advantage".

Nowdays, its different, with health and defence being alot more different than how they used to act, being a class who's its intire point is to be glass cannon (archer), doesnt even work.
As a mage main since the beggining, I agree and dont agree about the healing, because as a mage with a full "spell spammer" build, You still take alot of damage, and LI is still hard. What mage has over archer tho is the fact he doesnt need to carry 500 health pots forever since his heal is so effective.

I agree on your points about the archer mythics, all mythics (besides strati) are underpower'd, the fact a hive weapon outclasses them is shameful. But, I dont agree on the fact archer is a lost cause. From someone who played very little archer on his wynncraft lifespan, I can asume the gameplay ment for archer (From what I've seen), is to basiclly dodge, dodge everything, run around as fast as you can, make sure nothing hits you in every way possible, while doing the most damage possible.

I do not know how you play archer, but to me, archer has its mobility going for him, rather than tankyness for warrior, survivability for mage, and stealth for assasin. use the fact he has a jump to avoid any sort of attack, and how it blinds all enemies that you land on, making them unable to attack you, he has a shild to protect in the case he gets into a melee standpoint, use arrow storm to push enemys away and bomb arrow to be the main dps.

 

91 damage a bow is a depressing item + 1 powder

get outta here

 

Alright, archer has mobility, yes. So, that's agility, and next to agility, what else? Pure agility isn't enough to win me fights.
It's either strength, dexterity or intelligence. Air+water didn't work, as I didn't inflict nearly enough damage. So I guess it's either strength or dexterity, but then I lose the ability to spam escape and arrow shield when needed, and if I don't have those spells, I'll die. Spiders there one hit me, can't afford to be attacked.

Pre-gavel game was bonkers. Nothing worked as it should, especially health and mana regen/steal. Yeah, archer was the "best" attacking class back then, but it was still prone to dying easily. Nowadays, it's just easy to die and not that good attacking.

No need to reply on my profile regarding issues I stated here.
You don't believe I do 91 dmg to her? Want me to take a screenshot?
Like I already said, sniping her means nothing if you can't actually deal damage. Plus, she spawns spiders. While I will be snipping her from a far, spiders will be close and I need to keep an eye on them too.
Tho, qira isn't an issue, an issue is an archer not being up to par with other classes.

 

My earth build does 13k dps (6.5k a hit with normal attack spped) and That is like 40k arrow bombs, right?

I also have 10 k health, a lot of lifesteal, some exploding, and that can make me literally eat qira, as long as I keep my distance.

Also, I am poor as fuck, someone with a stack can probably get something better than me

 

You are free to share the build.
Also, it's you who should know how much your arrow bomb does, tho 40k seems awfully excessive. Mine was supposed to do 7k, but it does nothing, calculating doesn't help much.

 

It's cause qira has 1250? Defense to every element. If your weapons BASE DAMAGE +Str/Dex boosts doesn't exceed that, you do 0 DMG+RawSpell/Melee+Poison in your case

 

So Wynncraft damage reduction works like a raw reduction instead of a percentage?
That's awfully strange for an rpg game. No wonder Archer's mythics are bad against bosses, they all have low base damage. I guess that's also why apoc is insanely good.

 

The problem isn't that archer is underpowered
The problem is that warrior is broken and mages are overpowered
I mean, besides archer's mythics, which DO need a buff

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Do NEITHER of you remember pregavel, 2000% damage fully-regens-health-and-mana multihit on assassin?

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IMO, Apoc's main draw, currently, is that Life steal is triggered by war scream, meaning that using war scream can literally give you like 2000 health a shot. This is absolutely a glitch, btw

 

Archer is pretty strong, but it takes effort.

Mage
Warrior
Archer
Assasain

Is how I rate class difficulty. It really does come down to not getting hit. This means learning to circlestrafe is nessesary. Qira's attacks are easily dodged with your extra speed boosts, so you got that for you. You already brought up qiras most powerful ability, the web shot. Now, there are 3 ways I have found to deal with this ability.
1: Tank it. Don't try this as an archer.
2: Dps: never let qira use this, kill her very fast. Hard to do as archer.
3: Dodge it: With enough walk speed, thus ability can be avoided, if try to do this.

Even stratiformis can't break qira defenses, so just go grab a bobs mythic or a normal bow to kill her.

@Talking Mushroom you're not getting 40k bombs.

 

Hive bow with 3 t5 powders, conrupt, beetle aegis, earth sanctuary, and mantle aegis. I dont know my arrow bombs, the 40k was a guess. It might be closer to 30k, but 13*3 is 39 so it's arrond there

 

13*3? Wat?

Where did you get 13 or 3

 

Wait, like

-Hardest
Mage
Warrior
Archer
Assassin
-Easiest

Or

-Easiest
Mage
Warrior
Archer
Assassin
-Hardest

?

 

Take your guess

Spoiler: Correct answer

-Easiest
Mage
Warrior
Archer
Assassin
-Hardest

 

did you factor in elemental defense?
Qira is near immune to ALL elements

 

I can do up to 6k water damage to Qira using Spring, and my build isn't even good. I'm sure Stratiformis could break her defenses with some effort.

 

Yea, I kinda mentioned that archer might be balanced but others are too good as a class. Warrior cause of a high damage and defense combo and mage cause of the healing. Others said that the weapons are the problem, which I guess also contributes to the balancing issue of the end game.

Seems like most feel so, except the ones in charge of the item balances.

I don't know about mana and health regen on assassin, but I do know it was extremely powerful against bosses. Mentioned it how Sanae helped me clear last boss on ToA with an assassin. It truly was broken.

Alright, if it's not intended to work that way, fair enough, tho dmg still seems high. Or, it's normal, but the dmg archer deals is low. It seems to be the latter.

Yeah, walk speed and high base dmg seem the way to go, at least from what you guys told me. However, how is bob's bow gonna work? Didn't you mention I need high base dmg? Bob's bow has less than 500 base dmg. Stinger seems good, tho he has negative health regen which I should counter in a way, and rarely any decent gear has good health regen. Also the fact I never found stinger and am too poor to buy anything.

Alright, will check that build out. Wynnapps don't work correctly, but I appreciate the suggestion.

Yeah, I didn't, which is my fault. I watched videos of others soloing her and all of them were doing high elemental dmg. I just assumed dmg reduction was according to a percentage, not a raw reduction. So I'm kinda stuck with a build that's only good for loot runs, tho I could have done that without spending 3 tier 6 powders, eh.

 

Spring is 1 stage slower attack speed
=
Higher base damage
=
Better dmg to qira

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Qira only has elemental defense. Neutral damage hits for full strength

 

I do agree that most of Archer's Mythics need a buff, though, at a base level ignoring any builds, I think Archer is a little OP, but that's mainly because Arrow Shield, a defensive spell, is one of Archer's strongest spells.
And as Selvut has pointed out before, even if an Archer weapon is only utilizing Neutral damage, Archer can utilize all 5 elements in it's spells, while Mage, a class based around spells, can utilize up to 4 element in it's default spells.

Archer:


Mage:

(Assassin can utilize 4 elements in it's default spells, and Warrior can utilize 3 elements in it's default spells)

Other than Arrow Shield and elemental versatility, Archer is fine by itself, it just needs some buffs to it's Mythics. (NOT Strati)

I think Warrior by itself is fine, however, what's not fine is the glitches and broken builds that use Apocalypse/Alkatraz that are associated with Warrior.

Mage's heal is a little broken, Salted himself said that while he wants to nerf it, he wants to nerf it in a way that still makes it viable.

And Assassin is pretty much fine.

EDIT: Oops, I meant to say Arrow Shield not Arrow Storm.

 

Before I commented further, can you elaborate why arrow storm is one of the archer's best spells? I don't find it useful and I'd be glad if I learned the correct way to use it. I rarely hit the target with all arrows and it doesn't seem to have an useful knocback.
BTW, sick signature, I lol'd.