Your Opinion On Archer Vs Other Classes (wall Of Text Incoming)[no, Seriously, It's A Wall Of Text]

Please don't mistake this thread for a rant. I'm in no mood to complain nor intend to, I only wish to see what's your opinion on archer as an end-game character.

I have been playing archer since the meteor hit the Earth and wiped out the dinosaurs, and for the 1st time ever I'm considering to abandon archer.

I am by no means good at this game, and everything in here is just my opinion. Heck, I might experience archer as a bad class because I'm using it wrong in every single way.
If I am wrong, do tell what I need to change/abandon/consider to make myself better at using archer or improve my build.

I have always played this game solo, cause I don't have the time organizing parties, and there is always that someone who needs to take a crap in the middle of the quest/battle. Even at the beginning of the game, archer was always weak against bosses compared to other classes. Mummy was the 1st hard boss I encountered, and I had some problems solo'ing it, but I always thought to myself that I'm low level and this is normal. Leveling up and reaching lvl 100, that did not change. Archer is still pretty bad against the bosses. I fought CoW and Bob ages ago, when the lvl limit was 75 and health and mana regen/steal worked differently, so it's hard to say if I could solo them again at lvl 75, so will not take them as an example. Rather, I'd like to take Qira and explain my concern.

My 1st build against her was Ignis fire and water build. Water for spell spamming and fire to increase fire damage and reduce incoming damage. It was great for PvE, but I had no luck against Qira. I'd get stuck in her web and die after 2 hits. I had over 120 defense and still died easily. Lag didn't help either, as almost half of my spells well either not registered or registered wrong, as in I wanted to do bomb arrow but got arrow storm.

Just like others told me but I refused to listen, Ignis build was not good for soloing her. So I switched to gale's force build. I have 50-60% speed which is amazing for dodging her attacks. I used Motoki's dmg calculator and my arrow bomb is supposed to do between 6k-7.5k air damage. Not great, but decent I'd say.
Wanna know how much dmg I actually did to her per bomb? You ready?

91 damage per bomb.


That's right. It was as I was firing feather arrows at her. I have 7.5k health and died in a single hit. To make this even more tragicomic, I drank potion for every single spell point ability available. Strength, intelligence, agility, you name it, it made no difference. It did show a 5k hit here and there, at the beginning of the combat for like 3-4 hits, but everything after that was 91 damage. I have no idea what's up with that. She literally stayed at 399k health for the 10 minutes I was in there.

What am I supposed to do against her? Use neutral?
Alright, fair enough if so and if my build is just bad, but then what's this:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/qira-solo-in-15-613s.186835/
From his thread I understand there is a glitch that made it possible to solo her in 15 sec, but I'm not talking about that right now. Let's just assume that will get fixed.

It clearly says -7k fire damage even before he activated his powder special. Also, that's a melee hit. His melee does a lot more than my spells ever did, even with a mythic. Last time I asked, you should never use melee on an archer as it's just bad.

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So obviously you can damage her with damage types other than neutral. Am I supposed to forget about spell spamming and go agility+strength/dexterity build? If I scrap intelligence build altogether, my spells will become a lot more costly and mana will regen more slowly, which means every time my spell would registered wrong, it would be a lot more costly in terms of survivability.

EDIT: This part has been added after I finished writing this thread.
I asked what was wrong with my archer build here:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/why-am-i-doing-91-damage-to-qira.187524/#post-2225618

I'd like to point out 2 things.
1st, which made me laugh:

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2nd

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So, that's apoc. It costs almost as much as my ignis, but it's a lot more useful.
I searched the trade market and found a decent one for 4 stacks. It has 470 life steal and high damage.
Ignis's health regen goes from 100 t0 450. I had 370. Apoc goes from 120 to 520. Am I only one who thinks the ration is wrong? Why?
Because warrior has naturally high defending + war scream. Going apoc melee means you don't need to rely on spells, so you can go fire+earth/dexterity. Warrior ends up with far more dmg than archer. As warrior has huge defending, even the little dmg you take is replenished with life steal.
Archer, on other hand, when I tried ignis water+fire build, took 3k dmg a hit from qira. I had around 120 defense point. I'd take me half a minute to regen that much health and I'm supposed to be tanky. IMO, ignis's health regen should be higher because archer naturally takes more damage.
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All right, let's just assume I totally suck with archer, my next concern is:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/thread...can-beat-legendary-island-with-archer.185732/

Title indicates that soloing LI with archer is nearly impossible. Motoki proved how you can actually solo it with archer, but have you seen his build? He's gear is powedered, godly, he used pots and several different bows. If LI is supposed to be challenge and done in a group, then fair enough, soloing LI should be nearly impossible, even with great gear.
Aaaand then we have this:

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1 weapon per class, no pots, and LI is done. So either all other classes are too good for LI or archer is just bad.

Further, we have this thread:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/soloing-legendary-island.185473/#post-2212719
Look at the poll:

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Again, archer is at the bottom of the food chain by a fair margin. In that thread, there is a water archer build that is supposed to be able to solo LI, so I guess my air+water build isn't all that bad.

Yet another point, this:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/item-researches-and-possible-problem-for-archer-mythics.181829/

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Yes, I'd like to mention that again but won't stick to it too much. Today, I found a random person on server who asked me for an archer build. Do you know what's his opinion on archer's mythics is? That they are bad. I had a screenshot of his comment, but I replaced it by accident, oopsie. His another comment was that he is switching to mage because, as it stands now, it's overpowered due to his healing.

Going back to mythics, just looking at the poll indicates how others feel.

Selvut posted his archer build. I looked it up. While it seems nice against PvE, against bosses it might be bad. Again, that's IMO.

Salted's comment on archer mythics are that they are weapons with personalities.
Mate (not directed at Salted), you can have the best personality in the world, but if you enter beauty pageant but are ugly, yeah, you won't go far.
I guess the general consensus is that archer's mythics are the worst of all classes. I mean, I'm fine with that decision by the staff, it's sad, but I'm fine with it. If they wanna leave them like they are, sure, I just won't use them, no one forces me too.

Finally, archer vs other classes.

Assassin was always amazing at soloing bosses. I still remember how Sanae helped me with ToA. He used AS and single handedly took out the boss. I just cleared out the other mobs. That invisibility multihit combo is ridic good.

Warrior should have been a tank class, but it's not. It's tank + attacking class. Yes, he has no range, but he doesn't need one, nor is having a high range anything that gives a decent advantage. You saw the apoc build, it's amazing.

Mage, IMO, is currently the best class. I'd even say it's overpowered due to unlimited and high healing. Considering how health regen is heavily penalized in this game, mages healing is overpowered right now. It should either be nerfed, be executed with a spell cooldown or cost 20 int at all times.
According to wiki, his attack, defense and range are all 3/5, which is really good. He ends up with great overall stats + healing, meaning he can invest more in attack and heal when necessary.

And then there is archer. While it trumps at the beginning of the game, at the end it just gets worse, because every stronger boss kills you easily. Yes, it has big range, but that didn't help me much in fighting qira, did it. Again, my strategy could have been all wrong, but if warrior with apoc can beat her, than an archer with ignis should be able to do it as well.

All classes are good at PvE, but PvE is simple. When it comes to bosses, archer seems to be the worst one to use.

Either:
a) Archer is the only class they did correct, as his strength (high damage ranged spells) is countered by an equally bad weakness (low defending) or
b) They did other 3 classes correctly, as they all share similar results in the end-game and archer is weaker than all of them

What I find really ironic, I played tons of rpg games. Diablo 2, diablo 3, sacred 1, sacred 2, torchlight 1, torchlight 2, victor vran, van helsing, grim dawn, titan quest, tyranny, path of exile, skyrim, divinity... those are the ones I can remember atm, the point is, I never struggled with a build. I always played ranged classes, I'd assume I'd have some experience with making builds, but Wynncraft's archer indicates otherwise.

Titan quest was the 1st game that taught me how you can't go glass cannon in a solo gameplay and how, if you are a ranger, should and must invest into defending. I tried applying the same logic here, but failed miserably.

I have no problems if I just totally suck at using archer, but seeing how others feel about archer, it could very well be that archer is the worst end game class to use right now.

If that's so, are things going to be changed? I don't think classes are balanced as it stays right now. Mage's healing is OP for what the game gives you. Quite frankly, all build glitches should be fixed before updating Wynncraft further, as I don't wanna spend another 100 levels to figure out how my class isn't what I thought it would be. Or that the build I made and spent tons of LE is suddenly bad at what I used it for.

If things are fine and I just suck, then alright, I'll scrap my archer altogether and switch to mage, cause seriously, that dude isn't balanced. Spell - heal - spell - heal...

So yeah, I'm all ears guys.

 

the problem is, all classes and spells are balanced (except heal and arrow shield)
what makes them broken is actually the weapons; warrior gets 2 broken weapons (alka, apoc), mage gets fatal I guess?, assassin gets grim and archer gets, well, strati and stratis are worth about 30 stacks so

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why did you even post that

 

Sorry for the invalid image link, fixed it. Will read all the responses, thanks.

 

I'm tired ._.

Are you able to do a very short version for later ? Because I don't have much time to read :/
It would be nice ! :D

 

TL;DR
archer sucks at soloing bosses
archer endgame sucks
a lot mythics are broken, the only archer mythic that can catch up with the other mythics is strati but its the rarest

 

I agree. Archer mythics(or Archer's damage itself) needs a buff. I have tried an Az build, Grandmother build, and currently Spring build, but so far all deals >10k in damages except for Az which did 25k but that was when it had 1-500 thunder damage. I tried changing pieces in my build to other supposedly better pieces but the damage more or less stayed the same. E.g. old Spring build used Water Sanctuary and Riverflow but I changed it to Crystal and Capricorn respectively, and the pants later to Vaward for a little more health.
Maybe its because I suck at making builds, or maybe its because Archer mythics are too weak. No idea...

 

Ok thanks :D

I understand why Strati has a so high value on the market now. x)

So to be a good Archer you NEED a mythic if I understood ?

 

91% ws
also its the bow with the highest dps in the entire game
with only -1k hp to balance it out

no, but you'll have a hard time soloing bosses are surviving in general
its logic though
archer's supposed to have the highest dmg and being a bit more glassy but other classes can do about the same dmg with mythics while being even a lot more tanky (warrior = 120% def, mage = 80% but heal)

 

RIP Archer, I will dig your grave :(

 

Not really. Iirc, a fully powdered Hive Bow has similar dps to a fully powdered Spring, the second highest dps archer mythic. This is another problem I think, but I'm probably biased, being an archer main.

 

because he wanted to say that he is too lazy for read it
just like me i just went to the comments without reading the post

 

Archer struggles against single target, but does much much better against many weaker foes. Thus makes it poor for bosses, but great for things like swarms(when they return)

 

Where is the didn't read meme?

 

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

yes

 

ayyyyy

 

I never actually came to idea that arrow shield is "OP", but if I think about it, you are right. It deals too much damage for what is supposed to do, and that's to protect you from melee hits.

It's alright mate, have a nice day as well.

I guess I said all that, tho that sounds awfully like complaining which I tried to avoid.
No point in sugarcoating it, eh!? Lol.

Yea, my ignis build did like 6-7k dmg to mobs. Motoki's thread summed up perfectly the situation with Archer's mythics, they seem underpowered compared to others.
Or they are fine but other mythics are too good.

Problem in what sense? That hive bow, a legendary, dose more dmg than a spring, a mythic weapon?
I guess it depends how you look at it. On one hand, you need to kill Qira, but on the other, we are talking about a mythic here.
Or did you mean something else?

I agree about archer doing amazing against a group of mobs, but in a sense, all classes do, more or less, fine against mobs. Obviously archer has arrow bomb, but warrior has earthquake, mage has a meteor and assassin has spin attack. They aren't that good against group of mobs compared to an archer, but more importantly, not a single class struggles in PvE combat. I'd understand if other classes struggled in PvE, but they don't, and all of them do great against bosses, except archer.

Mage main, eh?
You really feel like mage's healing is balanced? Cause it doesn't seem so, especially how little natural health regen classes have.

What a small world x)

 

It's a problem in the sense that a free legendary multi elemental item has damage comparable to a weapon that is hyper focused on one element and costs over 10 stacks of LE at market value. Either the Hive Bow is overpowered, or Archer mythics are hilariously underpowered. Your post seems to imply the latter.

 

I pretty much agree with this post, as many archer mythics are under powered (Freedom, Az, Grandmother) and are no help at all with bosses. I struggled with basic bosses when I used my ws build, but swapped to a water build recently and still think it's under-powered. I agree that Mythic bows need a buff, comparing them to other classes. Assassin, Mage and warrior all have 3 mythics that are incredibly viable for late game, where as archer only has the spring, which is similar to a legendary bow.. and the stratiformis, the most expensive mythic in the game. Either archer overall needs a buff, or it's mythics do.

 

Use stinger. It does INCREDIBLE damage to qira, I think the issue is the melee is calculated differently then spells for elemental defense, that's why apoc was doing so well