Wynncraft's Exploit Rules

why is everyone acting like op only complains about being banned clearly they accept it they just dont want to have to wait a year to play lmao calm ur tits holy shit

 

I'm a little bit confused. If they aren't the only or first person to be banned for this exploit, then shouldn't the people in charge of fixing bug reports and exploits know about it? I mean it obviously depends on how long ago the first person was banned and I also assume that CT and basically everyone on staff is probably super busy, but I have been in an actual CUC party where people in the party used this glitch in the presence of a Mod (who obviously did not use the glitch), however none of them were banned. I'm not arguing the fact that none of them were banned, but I'm just surprised that information about this glitch was not communicated to the people that deal with bug reports.

 

Then why should using a CUC skip be bannable? Nobody else is affected by it because Wynncraft is a (primarily) PvE game - gaining experience slightly faster doesn't break the economy like exploits such as duping as far as I'm concerned. It's an isolated occurrence that does not inherently give an advantage, especially since run times aren't recorded and the items you get from dungeons are untradeable. Such a small occurrence is unintended by the developers, sure, but a lot of unintended mechanics can spawn engagement (ex wavedashing).

Think about speedrunning in games - often small bugs or unintentional glitches are used to obtain a faster time, rewarding the player for mastery of game knowledge and skill. I think that the burden of legitimacy shouldn't be put on the players in this case - if the devs don't want people to skip this part then they should just patch the hole. Obviously it isn't that easy since updates take time but I don't think the player should be punished for using a tactic that doesn't affect others and only exists to make the grind a bit less of a hassle.

 

Let me just horse glitch through several stages of ??? and completely skip token rooms in dungeons because I'm speed running the game. When horse glitching was a thing, I'm pretty sure doing any of those things would've gotten you banned reeaaally quickly if a Mod caught you doing it, I don't see why the same thing shouldn't be the case in exploiting this bug. If theoretically, you should be able to skip entire parts of the dungeon and somehow it's the developers fault, should I also be able to abuse other glitches that skip through stages of quests without any repercussions?

 

Just my 2 cents

I think that using a glitch to your own advantage is bad, especially if you don't report it BUT using it and not telling anyone else about it whilst only using it once doesn't warrant a year's ban imo. If it's his first time he's just made a mistake like everyone else and after a bit of explaining he should be allowed back on after 2 weeks or so, not an overly harsh punishment but he doesn't get away with it either.

 

To be honest I would not do even that, especially if it would be emerald duping glitch or something like that for the some reason you won't get unbanned before the exploit is fixed.

 

He's not complaining about being banned, but the rule stating that players can't be unbanned until a glitch is fixed. Obviously banning this dude was a statement that you can get banned for the glitch, so people won't do it anymore. The glitch has existed for well over a year to my knowledge and HAS probably been reported at least once or twice (I would be insanely surprised if nobody has so far). Considering the speed at which other glitches are fixed, this dude might not be unbanned for a couple of months or maybe a year, and nobody should have to wait that long for a glitch that the majority of people know about and have probably exploited at some point.

 

We know about it.

We ban more than one player, per day. It's not possible to keep track of every ban, every day, and to also keep your sanity at the same time.

Maybe their focus was elsewhere at the time. Maybe they didn't see it. Maybe they were too busy to recognize it. Maybe they didn't know, at that time, that it was a glitch. There are so many things going on around you, in any dungeon party, that you know that you can't keep track of all of it, all at once. You can't just say that because you, or anyone else, was there, in a large group of people, that everyone knows everything that was going on. That's unreasonable.

 

Honestly, if the Wynncraft team hasn't known about the glitch up until this point it shows how disconnected they are from the community. I agree that he should be banned, since everyone would do the glitch if the mods didn't enforce their rules, but not allowing him to appeal and get unbanned within a week's time for such a minor glitch is shameful. Noone should have to wait months to get unbanned for something so minute.

 

By that logic, if someone finds a way to dupe white horses, today, we should unban them tomorrow, and we shouldn't wait until the glitch is fixed?

I'm curious. Who told you about this glitch?

 

First of all, I'm not going to tell mods any information of my personal endeavors, but the person who told me about the glitch was already banned for unrelated reasons. I've also seen many people blatantly perform the glitch, but I'm not going to list any names. Second, duping white horses directly hurts the economy and other players. I agree that for major glitches that actually hurt the market people shouldn't be unbanned until the glitch is fixed, but seeing as someone has already been banned for doing the glitch and news of the ban has spread to the majority of the player base, I don't think anyone will be doing this glitch for a while. It's unreasonable to disallow someone from playing the game for months on end for such a stupid and minute glitch.

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It's serious business if it's a game-breaking glitch that can ruin other player's experiences. I agree that the mods need to ban players if they're breaking the rules, otherwise, the player base wouldn't take the moderation team seriously. Fixing the glitch and allowing the OP to play again should be the Wynncraft team's top priority.

 

You have to enforce everything or nothing. I could say after exploiting a glitch: "That glitch wasn't THAT bad, I don't deserve to be banned until next update (or whenever it gets fixed)"

 

I've already stated my agreement with many points in your post. The mods DO have to enforce their rules, but their rules have already been enforced. The OP should be banned, but as the main point of his entire argument states, he doesn't deserve to be banned for months on end. I don't know when the glitch is going to be fixed, but it should be the Wynncraft team's top priority to get this glitch fixed and bring the next map push asap. However, I'm not hopeful that the map push will come any time soon.

 

I didn't say I (if I did it) shouldn't be banned. I said I shouldn't be banned until it is fixed.

If the glitch isn't gamebreaking (like suping etc.) the CT have more importamt things to do. It should be fixed asap, but it is not top priority, because it is NOT a big glitch.
I don't know the CT are working on, but I guess that bug is definitelly not their top priority.

 

To be fair to you, despite the OP saying they wouldn't do it again that's actually a good point, as you can't trust him not to. I think duping white horses and earning millions of emeralds is on a different scale to skipping a stage in a dungeon but your exaggerated example did help me to understand why he's been banned, hopefully the glitch is fixed soon so he can be unbanned.

Out of interest (and if you're allowed to say) how did he get banned in the first place? Is it an automatic thing, did he turn himself in or was there a mod watching him who saw it.

 

I'm not quite sure what the first part of your post means. In acknowledgment to the second part of your post, if something can lead to someone being entirely unable to play the game, then it is a top priority, no matter how game breaking it is. Also, you literally acknowledged it isn't a big glitch, but you previously stated that all glitches should be treated equally? By that logic, the CT should make this just as much a priority as other actual major glitches.

 

For CTs, not players. Different glitches have different priority for fixing, but they should be equal when somebody abuses it in order to prevent precedents.

In your case who would decide how severe the glitch is? Where would be the line between minor, mid and severe glitches, IF we could use this classification?

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This is much easier and fair. You abuse a glitch you get banned until it gets fixed. Whatever it is.

 

They fully knew it was a glitch. The most they did was to tell everyone to stop using it, but I doubt people in the party stopped using that glitch afterwards. Also the party consisted of 5-7 people if I remember correctly, and the survival phases of cuc and the token collection after are not hectic whatsoever.
Also when you say "we know about it" who does that encompass? A Human clearly said that "we didn't know about this glitch," so what is happening here? Is it just poor communication between CT? Also the point of my previous post was to ask why certain members of CT that help in the execution of bug fixes were unaware. The response I received was that moderators ban more than one person per day, which doesn't answer my question at all. And clearly not everyone knows about it, the term "we" keeps getting used without identifying who actually knows about it. For players that are promised to be unbanned after a glitch fix, not even communicating what the glitch is throughout the group of people that can fix it seems like a false promise.