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Wynncraft War Crimes

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by pyunbiwi, Mar 7, 2021.

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  1. Sg_Voltage

    Sg_Voltage 1.18 was the best update, don't @me CHAMPION

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    and again, that point is completely irrelevant, I'm not saying that there isn't an armed conflict, I'm saying the player isn't acting as part of the armed conflict so any crimes committed aren't actually war crimes. If a US soldier commits a crime, it isn't just magically a war crime even though the US is at war, the crime needs the context of taking place as a consequence of the war. If a soldier walks down the street and somebody pays them $20 to kill somebody and they do it, that ain't a war crime, that's just plain, regular old murder. Likewise, when you get paid a few emeralds for killing a evil dude on a farm, that ain't a war crime because you're not acting as a soldier on behalf of some greater force, you're just doing your own thing. Before you say something is a war crime, you don't ask if there's a war, you ask if the action is part of the war and in all these cases, that isn't the case.

    Your only reason for thinking any actions taken are war crimes is the fact that the player is a soldier, but you're forgetting that the player clearly isn't on active duty. There may be a war but the player sure as hell isn't fighting in it, at least not yet. Also, calling the player a soldier of Wynn (as the game tends to do) is a bit of a stretch considering the player doesn't serve in any army in any real capacity, has full autonomy and has no allegiance to anyone, especially not the entire province of Wynn in general considering the player has the option to leave the province and never go back with zero repercussions. The player can be a criminal, but there's no chance they're a war criminal.
     
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  2. shtnck eyh ckhhe

    shtnck eyh ckhhe Jesus of Nether-eth

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    :doom: war crimes can be committed outside of wars. and even then the player is a member of an armed force and even if certain things they do dont have to do with the cause it is still a war crime

    Crimes against humanity
    Atrocities and offences committed against any civilian population, before or during the war, including:
    • murder
    • extermination
    • enslavement
    • deportation
    • other inhumane acts
    • persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated
    Does not have to take place during the war. Any of these things are still war crimes.
     
  3. Sg_Voltage

    Sg_Voltage 1.18 was the best update, don't @me CHAMPION

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    But they still need to be done by an armed force, which as I keep saying, the player is not a part of. If it was the Ragni army doing these things, it might be a war crime, but it isn't and it's not.

    "Rule 4; Definition of Armed Forces: The armed forces of a party to the conflict consist of all organized armed forces, groups and units which are under a command responsible to that party for the conduct of its subordinates."

    "You missed the single most important part of the definition you're citing. We're not under the command of anyone who is at war and we're not fighting on anyone's behalf so by your definition, we're still not war criminals, we're just a regular criminal."

    Also, nothing we do is a crime against humanity because in the definition for that it should typically be systematic (which it's not) and it needs to be on a large scale, which nothing we do is. It also needs to be deliberate which cuts like 90% of the terrible things the player does or is complicit in doing.

    "Crime against humanity - A deliberate act, typically as part of a systematic campaign, that causes human suffering or death on a large scale."

    Not every crime that happens during was is a war crime, in fact, most are not. It's easy to cite single lines and definitions, but there's a reason why basically nobody has been convicted of war crimes even after they do atrocious things.

    You know what though, this argument is incredibly dumb so here's the ultimate technicality. Let's say that you're completely right (you're not, but let's say you are). There is no international court for the player to be tried in, even if you're right, at best the player is an alleged war criminal, saying the player is a war criminal is slander and depriving them of their right to due process (not that you called the player a war criminal).
     
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    Tealy a businessman of sorts GM

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