Why Level 90-100 Is Tedious, And How We Can Fix It.

Hello there!

We all have been there, you finally reach that level 90 and then you realize you have no quests until level 95. I am aware that this will most likely be fixed in future updates, but i want to discuss more than that.


The problem with high levels.

As i mentioned before, the level gap between 90 and 95 is quite unnecessary and tedious. But i wont be talking about this, but rather about the other levels.



As you can clearly see in this graph, it tells you the amount of quests every 10 levels. This first thing you will notice is that levels 70 to 80 and 80 to 90 have a ton of quests compared to the rest. I can't find any concrete evidence of why this is, but i do have a theory. At this point, Wynn quests are ending and Gavel quests really get their time to shine. Meanwhile in 80-90, 4 Corkus Quests pop up. And oh i'll be talking about Corkus quests soon.

The problem with the overload of quests in these stages is that you literally get overloaded. The amount of quests make 70-90 a breeze, but then you get to 90. When you get to 90 you may actually still have quests from previous levels. You may be thinking "Well geez, i guess you do have quests during 90-95 then!". Well bassicly, yes you have quests, but they wont grant you enough exp to get to level 95. During this level range you are forced to grind for days straight.

They chose a bad level range for Corkus

Before you rage and say "I love the Corkus Quests!", i'm not saying the Corkus quests are bad, i'm saying they're in the wrong level range. I can quickly prove my point just by showing the quests during this level range.


As you can clearly see, you actually don't need to do any Corkus quests to progress. If you do the Gavel quests you're fine! When i got to level 90 as my Archer, i realized i still had 2 quests left to do. They were both from Corkus.

There were actually tons of other level ranges they could've chosen from. Examples are 50 to 59 and 90 to 100. Why these two? Well they're still decently high on the level range and hav lower amount of quests. If you go back up and look at the graph, you realize there's a very sudden drop in quest amount in these levels. This could've fixed that but oh well, they wanted it to be 80 to 90.

Conclusion

The quest amount of levels are pretty unbalanced, especially in the later game. This could've easily been fixed by spreading the 70-80 quests a bit more, and changing the level of Corkus Quests. I am aware that this cannot be fixed anymore, but oh well.

I have more things to say about this, but i think this is enough for now. I hope i made you learn something new.​

 

I agree, as a level 97 mage who is sick of grinding I think it'll would be perfect to add atleast 3 quests between 90 and 95, it will lower the millions of xp you have to grind.

 

So, what's the suggestion?

 

or yknow



just make grinding more fun and rewarding

 

Grinding is an essential part of RPGs, and quests alone should not give players the XP for progressing throughout the game

You have no idea why this exact level range was chosen, yet decide to complain. Mind using common sense for once?

The content team is a group of individuals consisting of volunteers. Do you really expect we can push out updates whenever we feel like doing so? Creating content is a heavily time consuming job, and it gets done fastest by focusing on a singular task, instead of everyone doing whatever they want wherever they want.

Then why'd you create this thread in the first place? The molten heights storyline has been planned for a long time, but has been delayed by the community demanding other types of content first. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's people such as yourself. See, even by requesting this, you're asking for other more important features to be delayed just to get your "idea" done.

 

Grinding used to be a an essential part of RPG's, but nowadays a lot of them get the player progressing though the game with quests alone.

If it's your personal opinion that RPG's should have grinding that's fine, but you can't deny that WoW, the most succesful mmo ever has players leveling just with quests, and a few other RPG's are doing exactly that.

I didn't find anything that said why this exact level range was chosen. Would you mind telling us the reason it was chosen?

 

Do you mind explaining why? I am just curious.

 

First of all nobody asked for or forced the server to do Corkus (except MrCoffeeTime). The Content Team did it because it was a meme and nothing else. NOONE outside of the CT has a say in what gets done, let alone knows what’s planning to get done. So don’t blame people for criticizing or suggesting, especially if most of those people were looking forward to the Main Storyline in Molten Heights and every other broken promise Wynncraft has made. All of those decisions to not do them were either done by Grian or the CT.
Should we then blame Ascended Kitten then for all the delays for suggesting fast travel for boats? What about Lotem’s better quest book? The way you phrased it makes it sound that any request that has ever been added or should have been added is a waste of time.
While the author of this thread didn’t provide a “solution,” he purposely left it open for the community to suggest ideas and actually put some effort into his thread instead of making a shitpost saying, “We needz moar content!” He should have a right to say that the level gap is poorly designed, and even if you don’t agree, that’s his opinion.

So please, don’t be hypocritical and blame others who didn’t have any say in deciding these matters.

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The level 90-95 range is left open for the Molten Heights Storyline which is coming never

 

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Indeed, but do not forget the fact, that world of warcraft was created by blizzard; One of the biggest game companies out there, full of professional game designers who've been doing it for several years, while wynn CT consists of teenagers with passion for the subject, but not much of previous experience. I wasn't referring to every single RPG in existence, but the vast majority in my response.

Lvl 95-100: Adding Corkus worth of content this high would be a waste, since a large portion would get spent on 100-101
Lvl 90-95: As mentioned before, this slot is reserved for molten heights, which has been pushed back by countless filler updates originated from the community.
Lvl 85-90: Bingo! This was the highest level Corkus could be made, to keep it satisfying for people who've finished the game, without interfering with future plans.

Don't forget the fact, that becoming a meme caused hundreds, if not thousands of people to request for Corkus to become reality.

What do you think this subforum is for? Also, incase you haven't noticed, information of what's getting done in general is constantly released into the public.

By far, this is the most infuriating thing you've said. These features have been confirmed dozens upon dozens of times. Do you expect these can be created in a couple of days? Creating a high quality quests can take up to months due to the complex systems we have in use, and the lack of workpower. Let alone an entire storyline? That might take up to years!

You're not taking the size of these suggestions into consideration. Kitten's seaskipper idea? Created single handedly as a project by Lotem, along with dialogue written by GMs with free time; Not wasting any time by any means. Nothing I've said so far devalues work, or mentions them being mistakes. Would you rather have updates with less features and content, just because people spent their excess time doing nothing?

Believe it or not, but I actually agree with something you pointed out. Sure, it does make the community aware of the fact there's a lack of 90-95 content, but what's the purpose exactly? This can be noticed by anyone just by looking at their quest book, and since it's been confirmed molten heights will take place in this section, the thread isn't making much more difference than "Fix Lag"-threads. I appreciate the effort put into making the thread, but it isn't of any actual use, really.

So, I'd appreciate if you gave up on stubborness, and prevented the start of an unnecessary flame war

 

I'm not going to personally attack you. If I say something that does personally offend you, I apologize, but I do think it is necessary to point this out:
1) No matter what we, outside of the CT, think, Grian and the CT call the shots. There is absolutely no denying that. People's requests for content get denied or ignored all the time. You guys can say no! We never voted to do one update over the other, and the CT still gets criticisms no matter what they do. Just because something is a meme doesn't mean that people wanted Corkus over Fruma, the Main Storyline, Gavel Dungeons, Dern, etc. Unlike the others, Corkus was never originally intended to become a province by the CT. It's entirely the CT's or Grian's fault for making Corkus instead of other unfinished content that was promised a long time ago. It's like if you thought Bloomi was funny, went along with the CT to make it, and then blamed the guy who made the Bloomi suggestion, even though he's not on the CT and has no power whatsoever. No one really expects Bloomi to be made because it's a joke like Corkus was.

2) We've been left in the dark so many times now that it's the reason why Soon^TM is a meme. Nobody except the CT has a single iota about what 1.17 is actually about and we only got a screenshot of a revamped Troms and word of a few new and revamped quests. And we got that piece of information at the end of June! Before then, all we got was a blacked out portion of the map and word of the code refactor and that's it. How can you pretend that's "constant"? In fact, this upcoming update probably has the least teasers so far compared to the Gameplay Update, Corkus, and even Gavel. Yes, Gavel that took 2 years to do and still is not done yet.

3) I get why content takes a long time. I literally defended the CT in my comments above about how they are unpaid volunteers and they actually have lives. I get it that problems come out of nowhere and how crappy minecraft is to build a game off of. But do you know what's not excusable? Spending all that so called "precious" time and resources making a meme that no one wanted over what you guys promised so long ago. And for what? Because it was funny? Because you were going to be executed if you didn't by the community?

Now, I love Corkus for what it is. I think it is one of the best things the CT has done because it was self-contained and complete. And I can forgive the CT for everything I just said. But what I can't is the CT blaming its own community members for something that they didn't have control of, especially HollowKill. I've seen terrible suggestions before, but just because something is ambitious doesn't mean it's worthless or should't be done. Ok, maybe not those suggestions I mentioned are the best examples, but what about Selvut's idea to implement a new class? That's definitely a lot of resources that could be allocated to something else. What about people's ideas for boss altars, Sonick's idea for an Orc Province? While they definitely have their downsides, they aren't shit posts like Corkus was, so how come they don't have more merit to be added than Corkus?

As for HollowKill's thread, his is like other thread's that have raised awareness about this issue. The reason why it's fine for him to make this thread is that it's his own opinion, and all those other threads have died and been buried underneath a pile of other threads. It's like saying people can't give their own opinion about the economy or balancing mythics because other people have done it before. And HollowKill actually tried to make his thread unique by putting graphs and typing more than just three words, unlike the "Reduce Lag" suggestion.

 

Really, why is grinding essentisl to the RPG genre? Becouse it doesn't force game designers to put out quests every other month? Then why don't quests just level you up a whole level instead of partially. You could say that it would make the RPG much shorter, but let me remind you that we have option to delete classes. So potentially we have infinite playthrough.

That doesn't mean that you HAD to make it. You're designing the game, are you not? You call the shots, you decide what gets added and what doesn't.

Besides that one post made by Grian and mentions about code refractor I've seen nothing, and I go on forums everyday AND have most sections on watchlist. I also check out twitter, but all I see is Wynn Trivia.

We don't expect the quests to be created in days, what we do expect is the addition of the quest and storyline that should have been realesed with Gavel, becouse let's be honest here Gavel when it was realesed it was clearly unfinished, and instead of finishing it so far we got a meme province a small addition to the back of twain mansion which let me remind you didn't work propely on the day of the realese (like pretty much anything that was ever realesed), a redisgn of areas in Wynn and a upcoming update of which we know that it will have few quests, code refractor and that a bunch of areas will be redisigned yet again.
And on the subject of not having enough work force, from what I've seen and heard if you can't do specific type of building and don't have highest degree of talent you won't be accepted to the build team, as for CT or GM I have no idea how it goes but I can imagine you have to know the game like a book and have very good skills to be able to join. I know you're trying to uphold a high standard but don't go yelling at the community for making suggestions.

Nice acting so high and mighty and then lowering yourself to our level to say that you agree witth something we said, even if you say it's stpid or undeed.
I want more threads like this one to be posted, becouse all we ever hear from mods is "we're working on it, stop complaining you don't know how hard it is!". If more posts like this will come up seeing as how much it effected you, then maybe we'll actually get some solid answers. But you're just gonna condemn all our suggestings becouse "everyne already knows about the problem", remember that classic quote? "Knowing is half the battle." You saying everyone already knows about the problem won't fix ii. Making suggestions won't fix it too, but at least it will keep reminding people about the problem and maybe we'll get a bit closer to fixing that problem.

Projecting much? But really though, if you actually want to sound serious then don't end your statment with hiding behind a shield of "don't offend me or I'll delete your comments". We don't want to start a flame war, however you're gonna just say we did.

 

Yet both of you decide to write walls of text doing exactly that, when adviced not to. Just saying ;)

 

Alright. Putting an end to this. Continuing this it's pointless here. So continue this in a PM. This is both senseless and its very high to near at a war. Closing the Thread due to you guys will be a jerk move. If you want to argue, settle it in PMs.

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Don't mean to be rude, but I do expect more of you. Even if your are saying "Facts"/"Opinions" they can get out of control. Keep it to a minimum of salt/argue.

Love you all and Have a Good Day!
-OGK

 

A flame war is when both sides start attacking the person, rather than the arguments themselves. We didn’t call you any names and we addressed all your arguments. It’s perfectly fine to debate about something as long as it doesn’t devolve into just name calling.

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All right, I gotcha. I won’t say anything more in this thread.

 

We try to respond to what you said and you passive agressively threaten us?

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An just as I said that people will say that we started flaming when we didn't. I can understand that you would want us to keep to PM's. But don't make up lies to make us look bad.
As Dr. Zed said I too won't be saying anything anymore in this thread.

 

Thread moved to feedback;

Now, the update is being tested. We want to make sure that everything is working, but there were many game issues when we started testing it.

The Content Team looks like a big team, but the Game Master team is really small. The quest system is really complex and every update the teams tries to bring even better updates. The system being complex isn't a bad thing though. If you play a Corkus quest you will see that there are walking NPCs, not linear stages etc.

You were talking about Lotem's new quest book suggestion. It would be a change in the game's code which is being remade. They can't leave the code half remade and add a new feature. They started the refactor and can't stop it.

There are reasons why the Molten Heights storyline isn't out yet. I don't know them but maybe because there will be new features after the refactor that would improve the system.

You can see that high level quests have a more complex story and lore if you compare low and high level quests.

Please stay on the thread's topic and don't attack players who have a different opinion. If you think that someone is wrong, be reasonable when saying why you don't agree with them - Constructive criticism.

I'm not deleting any comments for now, this thread will be closed if you start a flamewar.

 

Returning to the origin of this thread (levels 90-100 being tedious) I think the things that will remedy this are a couple of Corkus quests in this area and the final corrupted dungeons.
Obviously, the Molten Heights storyline would fix this problem too, but I believe that the other two things I mentioned are much more likely to be coming out in this update :)

 

I would suggest a Rework of a few things, balancing classes, balancing quests, there is plenty of room, and plenty pig unique things that can be added. I do wonder note what those quests will be for Molten Heights...

 

eh wait a second. If there are no GMs, why are GM apps close? huh?