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Serious When Does Religious Freedom Supersede Medical Treatment?

Discussion in 'Nemract's Bar' started by Dr Zed, Jul 31, 2018.

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Should parents be allowed to deny their children medical treatment?

  1. Yes, but only in non life-threatening situations

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  2. Yes, in all situations

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  3. No

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  1. Stormarend

    Stormarend The classes DO NOT correspond with the elements.

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    The first and most important page (for the pictures just look at the website, those sources are in English anyways):

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    The information on this page comes from official sources: authorities, doctors, scientists, medical literature etc. The links to the sources can be found at the corresponding questions; anyone who wants to can inspect or study them.

    1. IS VACCINATION SAFE?

    To know if vaccinating someone is safe, first we have to know which substances are injected. After that: by whom the safety of injecting these substances into babies has been researched.

    2. WHAT DO VACCINES CONTAIN?

    1. Killed, or weakened bacteria or viruses
    2. Chemicals to strengthen the immune response, and preservatives, adjuvants and stabilisers
    3. Sometimes antibiotics
    4. 'Pollutions' or 'leftovers' from the culture medium, and from the production process of vaccines
    5. Other pollutions

    The American CDC is a leading institute when it comes to monitoring vaccines and infective diseases. On its website there's and overview of the substances vaccines contain, for a total of 61 vaccines.

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    There is no disagreement regarding the fact that the substances listed by the CDC are in vaccines. The question is if it is safe to inject them. The majority thinks it is. But more and more well-informed parents, doctors and scientists think that it isn't safe to inject the aforementioned substances. Not for adults, and especially not for babies.

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    3. WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF INJECTING KILLED OR WEAKENED BACTERIA AND VIRUSES?

    The authorities say: your child will create antibodies, that way he or she will be protected from the disease. Other sources say: the natural development is disturbed by vaccines. According to independent scientists, this can lead to autoimmune diseases, allergies, asthma, food intolerances, and other chronic effects on the immune systems. Vaccines are also associated with diseases of the nervous system. More about this later.

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    4. WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF INJECTING CHEMICAL 'EXCIPIENTS'?

    The authorities say: 'It is safe'. Other sources say: 'The excipients can cause harm'. At the time of injection the immune system of the baby isn't developed enough to excrete most of it. The substances stay in the body and affect it. Effect and 'side'-affect are the same, the effect of a certain substance in the body of a child.

    5. THE MOST IMPORTANT 'EXCIPIENT' IN VACCINES - ALUMINIUM HYDROXIDE

    Charles Janeway is the very much respected author of the book 'Immunobiology'. Every virologist learns his craft from here. In the 'Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine' there's and article in which the same Charles Janeway talks about a "dirty little secret". This dirty little secret is, that vaccines don't work when an 'excipient' is added: for example, aluminium hydroxide. It is know that aluminium is harmful to the brain, and the nervous systems. So apparently we aren't allowed to know that it's in almost all vaccines?

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    6. WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE EFFECTS OF ALUMINIUM?

    Aluminium that is swallowed will enter the digestive system, but aluminium that is injected - into well-perfused muscle tissue - enters the brain through the blood vessels. Independent scientists and doctors warn for damage to the nervous system: epilepsy, speech,- and language issues, Autism, ADHD, behavioural disorders, motor skill disorders, tics, hersenhuilen (THE FOLLOWING TEXT ISN'T IN THE ARTICLE: The so called "hersenhuilen", literal translation: brain crying, is that babies start crying after the injection, supposedly because they have extreme headaches. I could, however find no source that this is an actual medical term.) etc. There is a lot of independent scientific research regarding the harmful effects of aluminium in vaccines. It is, however, ignored by the majority. More about this down below.

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    7. WHAT ELSE CAN BE FOUND IN VACCINES? POLYSORBATE-80, MSG FORMALDEHYDE, SUCROSE, LACTOSE ETC.

    Not only on the CDC list, but also leaflets are more chemical substances, with know negative effects. In independent sources Polysorbate-80 and formaldehyde are associated with cancer. Mononatrium L-glutamate (MSG) is described as a excitotoxin. That means: a substance that overstimulates brain cells so much that they can die. Sucrose and lactose are sugars, and injecting them may contribute to the increased amount of Diabetes type 1. And you could go on and on. The manufacturer isn't obligated to mention the substances on leaflets, due to competition. More information about other excipients down below.

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    8. WHAT DO SOME VACCINES ALSO CONTAIN? ANTIBIOTICS

    Some vaccines contain antibiotics. Those are substances that kill bacteria or limit their growth. It is know that bacteria can become resistant to antibiotics. And the effect of injecting them on a large scale is unknown. More information down below.

    [Link]

    In many cases it is difficult, if not impossible to discuss the negative effects of chemical substances, or antibiotics in vaccines. In the clinic, the media, and the living room of the regular Dutchman nobody wants to hear about it. There is an even bigger taboo on discussing the possible negative effect of the pollutions, or 'residues' in vaccines. They aren't mentioned on the leaflets either.

    9. WHAT ARE THE EFFECTS OF INJECTING 'POLLUTIONS' IN VACCINES.

    This is largely unknown. Most people - including doctors - don't know there are pollutions in vaccines. The only thing that is told to parents is that there is a very small amount of 'weakened' or killed pathogens in vaccines.

    10. WHAT DO VACCINES ALSO CONTAIN? - POLLUTION FROM THE CULTURE MEDIUM: ANIMAL RNA AND DNA

    Viral vaccins are, according to multiple sources, created on animal cells from among others monkeys, pigs, mice, rats, rabbits and fertilised chicken eggs. This has the consequence that vaccines can be 'polluted' with animal viruses. The most infamous examples are the SV-40 viruses, which come from monkeys' kidney cells, which are present in polio vaccines. And the pig viruses that have been found in rotavirus-vaccines. More information about animal pollutions down below.

    In some vaccines, for example the BMR vaccine (THE FOLLOWING TEXT ISN'T IN THE ARTICLE: The Dutch name for the MMR vaccine.), pig gelatine can be found. Gelatine is a binder that comes from animal waste (often the skin and bones of pigs). Many muslims and also the Jewish community reject this. Gelatine is haram according to one interpretation and halal according to the other because it has undergone a process. What the side-effects of injecting pig gelatine are is unknown.

    During their cultivation micro-organisms are fed with animal blood plasma. This is the centrifuged blood of calves and is also a source of 'pollutions'. According to various sources leftovers of DNA and RNA have been found in vaccines. So the hereditary code - of animals - that is injected into humans. Into babies! Nobody knows what its long-term effects will be. On leaflets of many American vaccines it is stated that these aren't tested for genetic 'transmutations' (genetic changes). More information about this down below.

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    11. WHAT DO VACCINES ALSO CONTAIN? POLLUTION FROM THE CULTURE MEDIUM: HUMAN CELL LINES, WHICH COME FROM ABORTED BABIES

    For the production of some vaccines cell lines are used, which come from human foetuses that have been aborted for that specific cause. On the leaflet of the MMR vaccine it is stated that it is produced on 'human diploid lung fibroblasts'. That is a cell culture of human lung cells. It's a taboo - we don't talk about it. But this too can be the cause of pollution in vaccines. More information down below.

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    12. DO VACCINES CONTAIN EVEN MORE? - POLLUTION FROM THE ENVIRONMENT: GLYPHOSATE?

    Glyphosate is a weedkiller that is associated with diabetes, Alzheimer, disorders of the metabolism, infertility and birth defects. American mothers have let test the vaccines by an independent laboratory, and glyphosate was found in multiple vaccines (it enters the blood plasma of calves that are used to feed bacteria and viruses through the food).

    In 2012 the NVI (Nederlands Vaccin Instituut) (THE FOLLOWING TEXT ISN'T IN THE ARTICLE: The literal translation is Dutch Vaccine Institute, goddamn English name for Dutch things.) was sold to the Serum Institute in India. It isn't transparent to parents as to where the in the Netherlands vaccines are manufactured. It also isn't on the subject of the regulations on the environment and supervision in those countries. And finally if there could be glyphosate in our vaccines. More information down below.

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    13. DO VACCINES CONTAIN EVEN MORE? - NANOPARTICLES?

    In a recent study large quantities of nanoparticles were found in 43 of the 44 examined vaccines. If this were true, it would mean that there are even more substances in vaccines that aren't mentioned on the leaflets. And of which we don't know the effect at all. One nanometer is one billionth of a meter - so they're minuscule particles. Researchers have found substances like: lead, chromium, hafnium, zirconium etc. What unsettled them, is that those particles aren't biodegradable. More information down below.

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    14. DO (SOME) VACCINES CONTAIN EVEN MORE? - EPOXY GLUE?

    Recent studies, conducted by the RIVM has found bits of glue in less than 1% of the examined syringes. How many children are vaccinated with said syringes yearly? And what do we know about the effects of epoxy glue if it is unintentionally injected? More information at Item 5 on the homepage.

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    15. DO (SOME) VACCINES CONTAIN EVEN MORE? - MERCURY COMPOUNDS?

    According to scientific research, conducted by Australian researchers mercury was found in the vaccine Infanrix Hexa (DKTP-Hib-HepB). Infanrix Hexa is used in the Netherlands at 2 months, 3 months, 4 months and 11 months. It's also possible that - like the researched conclude: 'the results of this study reveal that there are discrepancies in the public education, professional communication and official documentation of the presence of mercury in at least one child vaccine'?

    Mercury is a very poisonous and controversial substance. There are countless studies about the correlation between mercury and brain damage. More information down below.

    [Source]

    16. IF VACCINATING IS MANDATORY IN THE FUTURE IN THE NETHERLANDS, WILL WE HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON WHAT IS INJECTED INTO OUR CHILDREN?

    No.

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    17. HOW CAN YOU PROVE IT IS SAFE TO INJECT CERTAIN SUBSTANCES - WHICHEVER THOSE MAY BE - INTO BABIES?

    Regarding the pollutions it is hard to make a statement. It isn't researched. Regarding the chemical substances we can say the following:

    Chemical substances are widely tested by the chemical industry. This data can be found for every substance on 'Material Safety Data Sheets'. But if we take a good look look at these 'data sheets', it becomes clear that the effect are only tested for skin, or eye contact, inhalation, or consumption of the product - with adults. No manufacturer test the effect when the substance is injected - into babies!

    Manufacturers don't talk about this either. It's uncharted territory, and they're legally liable, so they can't and don't want to say anything about it. So the statement that vaccines are safe, doesn't come from the manufacturer of the chemical product, but from the manufacturer of the vaccine. That means that the manufacturer of the vaccine decided the safety of their own product. More and more people are sceptical that 'the butcher judges his own meat', because the financial gain is gigantic. More information at item 4 on the homepage.

    It is expected of parent that they believe it's safe to vaccinate their children because the authorities say it's safe, and that 'it's only very small quantities' and 'it's been thoroughly researched'. The risks that come with this aren't a surprise to anyone who is well-informed about what exactly is injected. There more people realise this, the more resistance there is to join the Rijksvaccinatieprogramma (THE FOLLOWING TEXT ISN'T IN THE ARTICLE: National vaccination program). A lot of people want insight into the science with which it is proven that 'vaccination is safe'. Until now the scientific argumentation of that hasn't been transparent to parents.

    Think with us, think to oneself. (THE FOLLOWING TEXT ISN'T IN THE ARTICLE: Best translation for this cringe slogan.)

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    Welp this is it, under the article is some information and a video about some doctor talking about the dangers of aluminium. She's supposedly well-educated, but maybe she got stupidity syndrome from her vaccines. This took way too long of a time, but I guess it's worth it (?). Also, there maybe some translation errors, I found one already.


     
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  2. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Thanks, I appreciate it. That must’ve been a hassle. I’ll look into some of those claims tonight.
     
  3. yellowscreen

    yellowscreen Certified Lurker

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    There’s a reason I think these claims are not really suitable:
    Example anti-vaccinist zealot: No vaccines because the sickness is a part of God’s will, and thus should not be obstructed
    Me: If sickness is a part of God’s will, why do we have immune systems?


    Really tho nobody thinks of that
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    It's also part of God's plan
     
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    ThomAnn100 I have reached peak intelligence VIP+

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    Yes, it is.
    I would like proof and examples of scientists and doctors. Oh wait this is pseudoscience so there is none.
    The body will build up an immune response so it can combat the disease later. The viruses and bacteria can't hurt the kids because they are severely weakened.
    Not much, a bit of headache or stomachache is a lot less bad then serious diseases that can kill your child and other children too.
    Aluminum is used to strengthen the immune response. But in such a low quantity it barely does anything.
    Nothing in such a low ammount.
    A bit ago they were ranting about bacteria from animals. This is what this is for!


    I don't have time for this shit I'm going to bed.
     
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  6. Stormarend

    Stormarend The classes DO NOT correspond with the elements.

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    I bet the writer of that article thinks dihydrogen monoxide is a dangerous substance as well.
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    Well actually they think animal residue alters our DNA. I know it's fucking stupid.
     
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  7. seeksery

    seeksery Wybel Photographer HERO

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    False, the claims are true
    Vaccinations are required, or at least in California
    https://www.dublin.k12.ca.us/Page/107
     
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  8. Allankap5

    Allankap5 Living legend and icon

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    I think that if it is not a life threatening situation and the parents think that the medicine could be worse than the sickness than I think that they should be able to deny their children the medicine. In life threatening situations though, I do not think that they should be able to deny treatment.
     
  9. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    What about vaccines though?
     
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    the drink the CHAMPION

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    Where I live there's no exceptions; either give them medical treatment or you face child abuse charges and if you resist; theyll take your child from you and give them medical treatment regardless of what you think

    (incase u want to know, it's Tennessee)
     
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    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Uh, I never heard about that. I live in Indiana near Chicago, and the most I've heard is that officials won't let you enter a public school if you're not vaccinated.
     
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    the drink the CHAMPION

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    Quite literally; no exemptions. I admit I exaggerated.

    It's true you'll get child abuse charges if you withhold medical treatment from your child tho
     
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    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    huh, interesting
     
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    ThomAnn100 I have reached peak intelligence VIP+

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    Nice you gave a source but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the other countries.
    You have a really good local government then. They should do that in other places too.
     
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    Stormarend The classes DO NOT correspond with the elements.

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    Welp, it isn't lethal, you'll only be paralysed for the rest of your life. Guess you won't need treatment!
     
  16. ThomAnn100

    ThomAnn100 I have reached peak intelligence VIP+

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    At least you won't be paralyzed in the afterlife.
     
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    Shadwer0Z Lusuco Resident HERO

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    illinois get on this
     
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    Zelefant wizard fortress will return one day HERO

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    Comments being disabled just shows people that you know you’re wrong but you won’t make any money/people won’t believe you if you are debunked in the comments
     
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    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    True, it’s an easy way to lose respect in my eyes like how minute physics did
     
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  20. Stormarend

    Stormarend The classes DO NOT correspond with the elements.

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    Netherlands? Scandinavia? T R I G G E R E D.
    Well he did address it in the description. Also people in the comments saying it's on the border of Scandinavia what is wrong with these people?
     
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