What Is The Point Of The Nether?

Thats not why people call it a province D:
We call it a province because the Silent Expanse and the name "Dern" have become so intertwind in our heads.
We always have, and probably always will call it dern for that reason, we're just used to it.
Same way the content team calls it RtD, and won't call it the Silent Expanse.

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Also can you change the poll to have a kind of, of some sort.
I do think it has a point in existing.. just not a very good one.

The main way I would fix the lore personally is to start cutting shit out.
Places like Deaths realm, and bobs, place?
I would also cut shit like the decay, and have gavel be about the curroption of greed "Not curroption 2.0"
In terms of what I would do for the nether, I would give it there, turn the curroption into a kind of mindless force of nature, so it doesn't take sides.
Still have it be cuased by the light realm and dern. Instead of a realm, its kind of an alternate demission, and so on so on.
In short I would try and make the lore more tight, for lesser words.

 

Reading through this HELL of a thread, which has gone into a downward spiral of arguing and confusion, not one person has addressed this entire time.
How are we, the player, not corrupted?

Besides gameplay and plot convenience, how have we gone through SO MANY DAMN QUESTS, filled with corrupted people, corrupted zones, corrupted EVERYTHING, and still aren't even CLOSE to filling a SLINT of chaos in our soul.

Seriously, how are we not corrupted?
Is it our soul?
Is it our willpower?
Are we under a spell/hex?
Do we just own something in our possession that just wards it off?
Are we some sort of "chosen one" unable to be corrupted?
Or, like I said, is it just for plot convenience?

I mean seriously, wouldn't it be cool to witness what its like to be under the effects of corruption?
There are SO MANY quest ideas!
Why not take the opportunity of this and clear up some misconceptions?!

Look, its clear that the Wynncraft lore isn't all that guided. The nether was the corruption at first and this dern daddy eye came along and said "you the boss of this place? cool. anyway, i'm the new boss now and you're fired. see ya!"

I don't care if the corruption is "when light and dark are at war" or whatever the hell.
That doesn't make any goddamn sense.
I don't care if the "big mac daddy eye" is the cause of all corruption and evil.
That's just a copout and also don't make any sense.
I don't even care that your character has literally gone back in time like 3 times, witnessed chaos and corruption happen RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, gone through entire caves of corruption (and now a providence-size land) and not feel an OUNCE, NOT EVEN A KILOGRAM OF CORRUPTION.
Because Plot.

The lore needs a rewrite. A big, big rewrite.
You need to work around all these goddamn plot holes and make them fit together or this is only going to get more confusing and worse as time goes on.
If the culmination of your "big baddy boss daddy" comes up to "blame it on the eye". You've. Dun. Fucked. Up.

This is all I'm saying on the matter, I just wanted to give my opinion and I won't be continuing in this discussion.

Ta-Ta & Farewell

 

Is this what you guys mean? I couldn't find a direct reference in the Realm of Light or Memory Paranoia, but I did find something in Wynn Excavation Site D. After you enter the ancient temple and solve the Green Puzzle, you receive this message: "However, when the two touch through influence, it is not twilight that is formed. But a land of corruption."

I thought originally that the land of corruption was a reference to Wynn, but it does make a bit more sense for it to be the Nether. I still wonder why they wanted 2 Hells in the first place, or maybe it was just an unforeseen consequence of having the Realm of Light, but still :/

That's exactly what I'd do too. I'd also make the powers of Light and Darkness more defined; I know they're supposed to be unknowable, Love-craftian beings, which makes the Darkness even more terrifying, but for me it just makes things 10 times more confusing. Especially when the story is framed in as a simple Good vs. Evil.

Also, would you get revamp or get rid of the magic crystals of Wynn Excavation? The quests themselves are O.K., but the lore is a bit all over the place (especially since they're never mentioned in Gavel).

 

Yeah, I understand why Silent Expanse/RTD was called Dern and Dern considered as a province to us, that’s why we did mistake Silent Expanse/RTD to be a province.

But I’m a little bit confused, what dose that have to do with calling Dern a province?
The Four provinces are Wynn, Gavel, Dern, Fruma, because Dern was considered one of the four provinces that’s why we called it a province, and Salted said that the official reason is because of the size and importance of Dern.

 

We call the silent expanse dern, and most people consider the silent expanse a province.
Lore wise its a no mans land, owned by no one, but its kind of a province.

 

I mean you could argue that the Realm of Light is important to the lore and is *somewhat* big, but I wouldn't call it a province.

 

You made it fairly clear that you didn't think that I thought lore existed before the message this quote was in response to.

As far as everything else you just said, I keep saying that all that stuff exists, but it's all bad. The point I was making about the central idea is that it isn't very central, not that it isn't there. We all know the intention was for corruption to be the evil of Wynn and greed was the intended the evil of Gavel, I shouldn't need to clarify that in a criticism of those ideas. You yourself said corruption was the central idea of Wynn so I can not comprehend how you could think that there isn't one when I keep mentioning the corruption and why it's poorly developed.

Next, you literally cut my quote. If you included the full quote, you would see that I said well before I said developed, so I guess you're arguing against something I didn't actually say. I don't understand why you would purposefully misrepresent what I'm saying but okay.

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Can somebody explain the difference between a realm and a Provence? Isn't a Provence a large plot of land in the main dimension and realms exist outside the main realm? By that logic wouldn't Dern be a Provence like Wynn, Gavel and Fruma?

 

I understand if you guys called it a province, but I’m pretty sure in the lore it’s taken by the realm of Dern, you can see it in the 1.19 update page saying “Explore the desolated area that once belonged to the Wynn province. Now completely controlled by the realm of Dern”

 

Personally I would keep dern as a lovecraftin thing, but I would abondon light vs dark all together.
instead just making them to opposing forces, rather then just "This is good, this is bad."

Of course having a lovecraftin god is always bad, but its not generic evil.
As for the light realm, I would make it mostly a kind of, a good but uncaring force.
Like they want to beat the darkness because its killing everything, sure, but why tf would they choose to war this war of realms in our realm? Ass holes. If they cared that much, they wouldn't. I.e. I'm just going to make them people who act rationally, and not purely based on morality.

 

A province is pretty much a country or a continent due to the scale of Wynncraft, while a realm is like an alternate dimension or another world entirely. The difference between it being a dimension versus a separate planet is that you could only go to a dimension via a magic portal or something, while a separate planet could also be reached by physically moving there without magic or teleportation.

Does that make sense?

 

I never said it was the corruption, I said it was the eye...
Alot..

 

Right, so that's exactly what I thought, so how is Dern a realm then? It's a part of the main dimension so it's a province, right? I don't understand why people keep calling Dern a realm.

 

I like that too; I never liked how they incorporated greed as the primary reason for the Decay and why darkness infected the Light Realm. It just felt kinda hamfisted.

 

I could not cut the qoute if you like, but it doesn't much change what you were saying.
I cut the qoute were I could display the most information with the least context.

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Decay in general is kind of dumb tbh.
I think it would be nice if dern was kind of dirving people to act on there base desieres, in a kind of cthulhu everyone loses sense of laws and morals way.

 

The most information would have included the "Well" which is the important word you were looking for. Also, the eye is the great evil, I understand that, but nobody but you thinks that the eye is the core idea. When the server started the devs made it crystal clear that the core conflict with the corruption, and the corruption is the core evil of the province of Wynn. I was working off the assumption that you also thought that since believing the eye was the plan from the start is literally insane.

 

Okay, just to clear things up with the Silent Expanse. Keep in mind that I haven't visited the Silent Expanse yet and I'm getting my information from the Hero Beta Section.

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So the Silent Expanse used to be apart of the Wynn Province and was inhabited by a mysterious race of beings called the Olm. They are the ones responsible for the time travel magic in Time Valley as well as opening the portal to Dern. When they opened the portal, the creatures from there poured out and decimated the province. So think of it how the corrupted parts of Wynn aren't apart of the Nether; the Silent Expanse is essentially what happens when Darkness overtakes a region. The portal they opened is in the Eldritch Outlook and isn't accessible yet.

 

Let me make this as clean cut as I can.
I was saying Wynncraft does, in fact, have a fairly clean cut centeral idea and evil, it takes from in the Eye.
I was argueing, very specifically, against the idea that Wynncraft doesn't have one that is focused.
If I am not mistake in the way you were wording it, you were attempting to state that Wynncraft, has a main focus for each province, but not an over arching one, in which I disagree.

 

Same; I guess it technically does by mutating them in the Silent Expanse, but you probably thinking of something less extreme than that, correct?

 

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Okay, that's something I've never heard, so good to know. I guess Dern is literally the same as the nether. There's a portal evil comes through to take over the world. I guess Dern is just a name given to the land taken over by the portal. I guess that makes sense, but it's kinda dumb.

 

And about "Dern being a province"
When Wynn started we only knew about Wynn and dern, dern was a far off province that got overtaken by the dark realm so now there isn't really much difference between the two.
I have no idea if anything changed lore-wise tho