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paksjr said: ↑

And we entrusted this powder to the random level 21s that first get it and spam the spell all the time.
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When used it bans all players who have ever been on wynncraft ever and causes the server computer to explode.

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AMCBrosky said: ↑

makes no. god. damn. sense...
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or maybe it's just a fireball lmao

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ectoplasmaticgoo said: ↑

I am not sure you can explain it, other than saying "it's magic".

Teleportation is being transmitted between 2 points in infinitely short time. That means the speed is zero, which from a scientific point of view means
there is no distance traveled, which for teleportation is not true. Therefore, teleportation would literally be destroying an entity at point A and re-creating it at point B, and so far, science isn't familiar with such phenomenon.

If you gonna argue teleportation is going as fast as speed of light, max, then technically, that's not teleportation, it's just going really, really fast.
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Possibly using a Alcubierre Drive, that would explain the speed due to the fact that particles could not outrun you due to spacetime warping, and it could be how damage is dealt.

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AMCBrosky said: ↑

Possibly using a Alcubierre Drive, that would explain the speed due to the fact that particles could not outrun you due to spacetime warping, and it could be how damage is dealt.
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Possibly, if you wanna write something about it I'd be interested in reading it, tho I'm not sure if any of us actually understands it well enough for it
to be a proper discussion.

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ectoplasmaticgoo said: ↑

Possibly, if you wanna write something about it I'd be interested in reading it, tho I'm not sure if any of us actually understands it well enough for it
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Agreed, general relativity is a pain in the ass.

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To be honest I probably am going to do either another mage post explaining ice snake or heal. Or doing one on archer, any ideas for topics to cover if i do assassin? Granted it probably will take a lot longer till my next post due to my computer being toast. I got the results from my tests via a friend. But using a phone to type all this up is a pain to do in general.

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Good day fellow Wynncrafters

While I was reading the comments on my last post @tortellini wrote this comment.

And after a week calculating this I have unraveled the SCIENCE behind this and, I can say 100% that the mage makes no. god. damn. sense.

In order to explain how the Meteor works we need to figure out these four things:

Criteria to determine how the mage is actually causing his meteor.

Determine how the mage is actually causing the Meteor based off of the criteria.

Determine how much energy is required to cause the Meteor.

Determine aftereffects based off of said calculations.

Step 1: Determine Criteria
If we look at the mages max upgrade meteor we are given some criteria that the cause must account for and some data we can use for later. The criteria that I found was that the cause must A: Cause the meteor immediately after finished left clicking. B: have enough minimum energy to cause grass to light on fire. Through tests before my computer broke the average radius for area lit on fire was 7 meters, or 7 blocks. Averaging out to 1.75 gigajoules due to the grass being 6.25 cm tall and accounting for void space and assuming the grass was lit by the heat energy and not another source of flame. And C: The radius of the meteor created must be 4.5 meters.

Step 2: Determine the cause of the Meteor
The first thing that we have to say is that the Meteor is not actually a meteor, due to the fact that not only are Gravitons theoretical, but would require the meteor to slow down in order to not be going at stupidly fast speeds when colliding with the ground, And how come the meteor is always the same size? So because of that I have to cross Gravitons off the list. Next on the chopping block is using negative mass, wormhole trickery but then how is the mage causing the wormhole? After this I was stumped on how it worked but then I looked at the VIP version of the class and I solved it. For those who don't know the mages alternate re-skin called Dark Wizard replaces the meteor spell with one called Dead Star and then I realized it. The Mage is using nuclear chemistry to smite his foes.

Step 3: Determine energy requirements
Suffice it to say, Nuclear Chemistry is complicated as all hell. But in a super simplified form, nuclear chemistry is the science of the strong force in atoms. You know how two positive magnets repel from each other, well the same can be said for protons and electrons in an atom. But the reason they don't fly away is because there is a force stronger than electromagnetism called the strong force. And while this force is stronger than electromagnetism it requires the particles to be really close to take effect. This is why it requires the particles to be going at such high speeds in order to overpower the electromagnetic force. Nuclear chemistry explains the science of fission reactions and fusion reactions. But because fission generally only takes place when particles are not only unstable but generally have high masses, we have to look at fusion. Nuclear fusion is the reason we are all alive, its what powers the sun. The reason fusion reactions only take place at such high speeds is because they have to overpower the strong force unlike fission reactions where they try to make enough of a imbalance in the nucleus to cause it to split apart. But while fission reactions are powerful, they are nowhere near as strong as fusion. For this instance we have to look at what fusion reactions are easily able to create a solid object, and the element we have to create is carbon. There are two main nuclear fusion processes that output carbon as a result, Triple-alpha process is where three helium atoms come together to form carbon and the Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen cycle. And conveniently two of the elements in the CNO cycle are over 98% of the air we breathe so it will be pretty easy to cause them to create Carbon and as a byproduct we get helium which can be used to create more carbon lowering the energy requirements. In order to figure out the total carbon atoms needed to be created we need to figure out the volume of the object which we need to create, thankfully because the object is a sphere and we know its radius we can figure out the mass of carbon we need to create totaling to 4.34*10^31 atoms of carbon. So how much energy does that require, 644.5 nonillion mega-electron volts...

Step 4: Determine aftereffects.
664.5 nonillion mega-electron volts is a mind numbing number, in order to put this into perspective that is 24.7 GIGA-TONS of TNT. No big deal, that is over 10000 times the energy required to destroy the moon! The moment the mage cast that spell he would send septillions of neutrons at the nitrogen atoms before launching just as many hydrogen atoms at the new nitrogen-15 atoms at temperatures of over 100000 DEGREES CELSIUS! Quite literally this would destroy all the provinces of Wynncraft as the entire area surrounding the gaping crater kilometers wide would be irradiated with enough gamma radiation that just going even in viewing distance of it would give you a dozen types of cancer. Not that would matter due to the fact that ALL LIFE ON WHATEVER PLANET WYNN IS ON WOULD DIE! THE MAGE IS THE BRINGER OF THE APOCALYPSE AND ENDS ALL LIFE ON PLANETS JUST BY DECIDING TO PRESS THREE BUTTONS IN A ROW! I am sorry but the mage makes no. god. damn. sense...

So now the mage is now totally ruined for me, oh well. If you enjoyed this post then please give a like, I spent the entire last week of school calculating this and I have a splitting headache from spending days learning nuclear chemistry and I would really appreciate your support. if you want me to cover a certain topic then please comment down below and if it gets commented enough then I will do it. Thank you for reading this forum post, AMCBrosky out.
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Good day fellow Wynncrafters

While I was reading the comments on my last post @tortellini wrote this comment.

And after a week calculating this I have unraveled the SCIENCE behind this and, I can say 100% that the mage makes no. god. damn. sense.

In order to explain how the Meteor works we need to figure out these four things:

Criteria to determine how the mage is actually causing his meteor.

Determine how the mage is actually causing the Meteor based off of the criteria.

Determine how much energy is required to cause the Meteor.

Determine aftereffects based off of said calculations.

Step 1: Determine Criteria
If we look at the mages max upgrade meteor we are given some criteria that the cause must account for and some data we can use for later. The criteria that I found was that the cause must A: Cause the meteor immediately after finished left clicking. B: have enough minimum energy to cause grass to light on fire. Through tests before my computer broke the average radius for area lit on fire was 7 meters, or 7 blocks. Averaging out to 1.75 gigajoules due to the grass being 6.25 cm tall and accounting for void space and assuming the grass was lit by the heat energy and not another source of flame. And C: The radius of the meteor created must be 4.5 meters.

Step 2: Determine the cause of the Meteor
The first thing that we have to say is that the Meteor is not actually a meteor, due to the fact that not only are Gravitons theoretical, but would require the meteor to slow down in order to not be going at stupidly fast speeds when colliding with the ground, And how come the meteor is always the same size? So because of that I have to cross Gravitons off the list. Next on the chopping block is using negative mass, wormhole trickery but then how is the mage causing the wormhole? After this I was stumped on how it worked but then I looked at the VIP version of the class and I solved it. For those who don't know the mages alternate re-skin called Dark Wizard replaces the meteor spell with one called Dead Star and then I realized it. The Mage is using nuclear chemistry to smite his foes.

Step 3: Determine energy requirements
Suffice it to say, Nuclear Chemistry is complicated as all hell. But in a super simplified form, nuclear chemistry is the science of the strong force in atoms. You know how two positive magnets repel from each other, well the same can be said for protons and electrons in an atom. But the reason they don't fly away is because there is a force stronger than electromagnetism called the strong force. And while this force is stronger than electromagnetism it requires the particles to be really close to take effect. This is why it requires the particles to be going at such high speeds in order to overpower the electromagnetic force. Nuclear chemistry explains the science of fission reactions and fusion reactions. But because fission generally only takes place when particles are not only unstable but generally have high masses, we have to look at fusion. Nuclear fusion is the reason we are all alive, its what powers the sun. The reason fusion reactions only take place at such high speeds is because they have to overpower the strong force unlike fission reactions where they try to make enough of a imbalance in the nucleus to cause it to split apart. But while fission reactions are powerful, they are nowhere near as strong as fusion. For this instance we have to look at what fusion reactions are easily able to create a solid object, and the element we have to create is carbon. There are two main nuclear fusion processes that output carbon as a result, Triple-alpha process is where three helium atoms come together to form carbon and the Carbon, Nitrogen, Oxygen cycle. And conveniently two of the elements in the CNO cycle are over 98% of the air we breathe so it will be pretty easy to cause them to create Carbon and as a byproduct we get helium which can be used to create more carbon lowering the energy requirements. In order to figure out the total carbon atoms needed to be created we need to figure out the volume of the object which we need to create, thankfully because the object is a sphere and we know its radius we can figure out the mass of carbon we need to create totaling to 4.34*10^31 atoms of carbon. So how much energy does that require, 644.5 nonillion mega-electron volts...

Step 4: Determine aftereffects.
664.5 nonillion mega-electron volts is a mind numbing number, in order to put this into perspective that is 24.7 GIGA-TONS of TNT. No big deal, that is over 10000 times the energy required to destroy the moon! The moment the mage cast that spell he would send septillions of neutrons at the nitrogen atoms before launching just as many hydrogen atoms at the new nitrogen-15 atoms at temperatures of over 100000 DEGREES CELSIUS! Quite literally this would destroy all the provinces of Wynncraft as the entire area surrounding the gaping crater kilometers wide would be irradiated with enough gamma radiation that just going even in viewing distance of it would give you a dozen types of cancer. Not that would matter due to the fact that ALL LIFE ON WHATEVER PLANET WYNN IS ON WOULD DIE! THE MAGE IS THE BRINGER OF THE APOCALYPSE AND ENDS ALL LIFE ON PLANETS JUST BY DECIDING TO PRESS THREE BUTTONS IN A ROW! I am sorry but the mage makes no. god. damn. sense...

So now the mage is now totally ruined for me, oh well. If you enjoyed this post then please give a like, I spent the entire last week of school calculating this and I have a splitting headache from spending days learning nuclear chemistry and I would really appreciate your support. if you want me to cover a certain topic then please comment down below and if it gets commented enough then I will do it. Thank you for reading this forum post, AMCBrosky out.
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Or you can just say magic

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Actually I was inspired by FishWaffle's post from over a year ago and it has evolved into this.
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completely ignoring the law of energy conservation..

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completely ignoring the law of energy conservation..
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Not true, he can get the energy to cause the reaction through many ways. My favorite being that because before they added a resource pack mana was hunger so he could be converting the food into energy to cause the reaction. Or he could use some of the particles in the air around him, water vapor has hydrogen in it. And lastly about the helium not having enough energy to bind together remember due to all the hydrogen nitrogen fusion reactions. But its great that people are actually able to have scientifically based questions.

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You should do how hard archers break there legs every time they uses escape

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AMCBrosky said: ↑

Not true, he can get the energy to cause the reaction through many ways. My favorite being that because before they added a resource pack mana was hunger so he could be converting the food into energy to cause the reaction. Or he could use some of the particles in the air around him, water vapor has hydrogen in it. And lastly about the helium not having enough energy to bind together remember due to all the hydrogen nitrogen fusion reactions. But its great that people are actually able to have scientifically based questions.
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please read some quantumn mechanics and LOTS of Thermodynamic sources(any article about Entropy) before commenting... this is not even a paradox

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please read some quantum mechanics and LOTS of Thermodynamic sources(any article about Entropy) before commenting... this is not even a paradox
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Its not a paradox, if you limit the amount of hydrogen atoms and protons that are reacting with the nitrogen atoms, you limit the amount of carbon created. So there is no paradox there. Remember each reaction produces 1 carbon and 1 helium, three helium atoms make 1 carbon through the triple alpha process. And both types of carbon are the same. While it is impossible to find the energy source because as said before my computer is screwed and i am typing this on a phone so I can't find the source, the point of this was to explain how it is created, not what provided the energy. Lastly, the thing is that if the mage can do all of that he or she can also probably send electromagnetic radiation in the form of heat to get the helium to fuse.

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AMCBrosky said: ↑

Averaging out to 1.75 gigajoules due to the grass being 6.25 cm tall and accounting for void space and assuming the grass was lit by the heat energy and not another source of flame.
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How did you arrive at that number? You should tell us exactly what calculations you did. I am 99% sure you do NOT need 0.42 tons of TNT to light 14 cubic meters of grass on fire.

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How did you arrive at that number? You should tell us exactly what calculations you did. I am 99% sure you do NOT need 0.42 tons of TNT to light 14 cubic meters of grass on fire.
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calculated volume, accounted for void area (1/3rd of the total volume i'm assuming.) figured out chemical composition of grass, used specific heat capacities of both water and lignin to calculate energy needed to bring grass from room temperature to auto ignition point. Also in this instance It has to A do a perfect job or else the water will put out the fire and B assuming that it is not being caught on fire by another source. Does that explain it?

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calculated volume, accounted for void area (1/3rd of the total volume i'm assuming.) figured out chemical composition of grass, used specific heat capacities of both water and lignin to calculate energy needed to bring grass from room temperature to auto ignition point. Also in this instance It has to A do a perfect job or else the water will put out the fire and B assuming that it is not being caught on fire by another source. Does that explain it?
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No that explains absolutely nothing.

What thermodynamic laws did you employ? What equations did you use?

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No that explains absolutely nothing.

What thermodynamic laws did you employ? What equations did you use?
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The main things to account for is that it catches on fire instantly. I figured out the energy to bring the grass to its autoigniton temperature. I stated above that by learning the chemical composition of grass (70% water, 30% lignin) and figuring out how much energy is needed to bring them from room temperature to that said autoigniton point. Its simple, just find out how much energy is required to bring it to a temperature where it 100% ignites. Does that work for you?

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