The Player (you) Isn't Such A Hero

Bebinson · Mar 4, 2016

What about maiden tower? We were too lazy to bring her to Ogre so we killed her (I know this thread is near lock but still there is chance it will be added)

Tapu_Fini · Mar 4, 2016

Why does everyone whine so much about Necroposting, I mean, I've never had or seen the problem with it. Plus it wasn't even a necro.

DrakeM1 · Mar 4, 2016

Supermariowifi said: ↑

Why does everyone whine so much about Necroposting, I mean, I've never had or seen the problem with it. Plus it wasn't even a necro.
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I didn't even know what necroposting was until last month.

DarkDemonDragon · Mar 5, 2016

Bebinson said: ↑

What about maiden tower? We were too lazy to bring her to Ogre so we killed her (I know this thread is near lock but still there is chance it will be added)
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I mentioned on the top of the OP that I'm currently taking a break from this thread until I've fully experienced Gavel. After that I'm probably going to make the Part II of this in a Gavel Edition as some parts of the official lore changed when Gavel was released (an obvious one was the "Kings Recruit" quest) as a separate thread. Once I make it, I'll make sure to post the link to it here to let all you guys know :)

flip · Mar 5, 2016

DarkDemonDragon said: ↑

NOTICE: At the moment I'm taking a break from updating this until I've experienced all of Gavel. Then I will either update this thread or make a separate thread dedicated to Gavel quests.

1.0.1 - Yay I learned to used spoilers! Thanks for all the support guys! I'll be looking into what Ironraptor3 and others mentioned and will add them on once I've done my research. If there is anything non-quest related, but is substantial evidence that the "player" isn't a hero please feel free to comment about it and I'll look into it.
1.0.2 - HOLY BOB Salted liked the thread! What does this mean... View attachment 49912
1.0.3 - Whoops spoilers went wacky. Hopefully it's fixed now.
1.1 - Screw spoilers @_@
1.1.1 - Trying out new format... hopefully it works >_<
1.2 - Sticking with new formatting. Split the "Quest Related" section into "Major" and "Minor". Added "Prison Story" under the new "Minor" section. Thanks to @Red-Eyed Knight for bringing it up!
1.3 - Dark Theme friendly! Thanks to @_DeadlockedX_ for informing me about the issue!

QUESTS

The Mercenary

WynnExcavation ABCD

Potion Making

Mechanics

Guilds

Emerald

Lore

Corruption

So this is a thing I've joked around with my friends for awhile and I wanted to put it down for some discussion. Hopefully no one else has posted a theory like this, but regardless everything I'm saying is purely based off my own creative interpretation of the current lore and quest info and feel free to suggest or bring up information that may improve or add on to the current theory.

While the player may kill the occasional villager out of sheer boredom and enjoy the classic hobby of smashing everyone's pots for emeralds, these are all due to an individual's choice meaning that "the player" does not naturally do. Here are some major actions "the player" will always take no matter the individuals choices.

QUEST RELATED
- Major: These are quests that heavily contribute to the theory and require a significant amount of thought and analysis.

Most players remember this quest mainly because of how wacky it is. You meet a farmer that urges you to find Drale, his missing cow, but to your surprise you see an NPC villager by the name of Drale. It turns out that one drunken day the farmer Blyvis mistakes Drale for a cow, leashes him, puts a tracker on him, and stores Drale away in his barn. You go back to Blyvis to clear things up and here's where things get a little strange. The dialogue is as follows:

Bylvis: You are back! Where is Drale? Is he okay?

Bylvis: Hold up, Drale isn't a cow? You have got to be kidding me, all these years he's been in here...

Bylvis: He never even thought of telling me he's a person? Or even saying a single word?

Bylvis: Well, I still feel a bit responsible. I was drinking quite a few drunkness potions the night I found him...

Bylvis: Listen, give him my best wishes. I hope he does wonderful things over near Detlas.

Bylvis: And hey, he can have a few of my emeralds, It's the least I can do for kidnapping him and holding him hostage for three years.

After this you immediately get some emeralds in your Inventory. You then go to Drale to tell him what happened but watch what he says:

Drale: Wait... You just.. Walked up to him, and told him I wasn't a cow?

Drale: It was that easy?

Drale: I assumed a person who was crazy enough to mistake a person for a cow wouldn't listen to reasoning...

Drale: So I just spent three years of my life imprisoned for nothing. Unless of course, he sent me something as an apology?

Drale: Nothing? Really? Not even a few emeralds?

Drale: You'd think he'd feel guilty enough to at least give me something in return for the three years of my life he wasted.

Drale: Oh well, I guess I was just being optimistic.

Wait wait wait. "Nothing? Really? Not even a few emeralds?" You just got some emeralds from Blyvis, so what is going on? Well look at what happens right after this dialogue (Picture needed):
+600 experience
+44 emeralds

"+44 emeralds"? Who gave you that? In nearly every quest you are directly rewarded by the last Quest NPC you speak to whether it is a reward or a "take these and leave". Obviously it isn't Drale because he's the one that wants emeralds and really has no reason to reward you. So where did the emeralds come from? The only other Quest NPC: Bylvis. Remember that you received emeralds immediately following the conversation Blyvis says:
Bylvis: And hey, he can have a few of my emeralds, It's the least I can do for kidnapping him and holding him hostage for three years.

Obviously there is a contradiction here because Blyvis specifically asks you to deliver emeralds as an apology. But Drale doesn't know this. This means that the "Player" took advantage of the situation and, knowing that neither parties would ever contact each other about this, kept the emeralds for himself. This shows that "the player" would rather keep a paltry amount of emeralds for himself than giving some well-deserved closure and compensation. After this the quest officially ends, but Bylvis, unlike most other Quest NPCs after a quest is done (something like gtfo or Hey! It's you again!), will keep saying:
"You did give him the emeralds... Right?"

This is a quest done much later that also brings some suspicion on "the player". You encounter a villager named Worid that claims he "caught a very bad fever" and "the only cure against this fever is to Liquid Emeralds!". You first go to Deltas Bank to get the 64 LE who immediately calls fraud and turns you away. You are then instructed by Worid to enter Detlas' Emerald Stash, which you do. Strangely you don't get anything from this action and you return to Worid again and engage in this interesting dialogue:

Worid: Great, we can start the real thing now.

Worid: You see Almuj has a very well guarded emerald vault named "The Emerald Labyrinth".

Worid: It is guarded with tons of well trained Guard Golem, who can kill anyone in one hit.

Worid: The Banker in the secret vault must be completely bored out of his mind, and won't mind if you find him.

Worid: Good luck with that. Haha.. I mean, *cough*.

We obviously have to hurry before Worid dies. You then infiltrate Almuj's Emerald Labyrinth and find the Almuj Banker in the Emerald Room who gives you 64 LE because he really is bored out of his mind. Returning with the 64 LE you talk to the very ill Worid:

Worid: You are back! Wonderful!

Worid: That is a lot of money, thanks you very much, I will finally be able to... *cough* to cure myself!

Worid: Here, take this part, you deserve it.

There's something VERY wrong about this whole quest. First, unless your INT is -999, you know the Worid isn't sick. Maybe sick with greed, but not physically. Second, this is pointed out adamantly by the Banker in Detlas so you know that everyone is aware of the situation. Third, even if you believe this is medicine why are you taking some of it yourself? Did you catch his Jungle Fever? Perhaps, because that ending dialogue sounds just like a mobster returning to his boss after a successful bank heist. Finally, "the player" is one to take advantage of people's trust. How can I say that? Remember that "the player" normally isn't allowed in the Almuj's Bank until you do the "Drought Sand" quest where Irt says:

Irt: I'll let the Guard Golems know that you can enter the bank. Don't make me regret this decision.

I think taking 64 LE from Almuj Bank is definitely going to make him regret his decision... Once again there is a Quest NPC that will have a dialogue that gives the same feeling from "A Confused Farmer":

- Minor: These are quests that indirectly provide insight, only partially relate to "the player", and/or require a minimal amount of analysis.

This is one of the first quests you do and is the first quest that shows how morally astray "the player" may be. This is a fairly simple quest where you find Ooni in Ragni's prison who has apparently been imprisoned for over 20 years. Apparently he almost got another adventurer, Waront, to free him, but Waront was chased away by guards so you have to go find him in the sewers to retrieve the Prison Key. You successfully find him and give Ooni the key.

Why in the world did you just do that? There is literally no reason to help Ooni out at all, and every reason to go and arrest Waront. "The player" has recently been recruited into Ragni's army and this is one of the first things he does? Free a prisoner that has a 20+ year sentence? Betray the guards he works with? This could be a very dangerous man, yet "the player" decides that he deserves to be freed because... reasons... With a 20+ year sentence this man could be a serial killer or a traitor and he's STILL watched by guards (although they're conveniently absent when you pass Ooni the key) as shown by Waront's running away. While there's not enough information to make any conclusive statements about "the player's" morality, this does suggest something is not right with "the player". It may be due to just naivety and inexperience or something much more deeper...

LORE RELATED - WIP
OTHER RELATED - WIP

Thanks for reading my theories on how "The Player" may not be the hero we think he is. Again this is all my own interpretation so don't take these things as fact; however, these are things to think about and consider if these instances are coincidence or something more... Please comment any suggestions, contribution or thoughts down below!

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Well of course I'm not the hero, all I do is sell speed, shrooms, canned abis, all the drugs you need in your daily life of wynn.

Plus I kill innocent civilians

Kaelan~ · Mar 5, 2016

PillowPet said: ↑

Don't necro... This thread has been dead a while now.
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there is no harm in necroposting is doesn't hurt the website or you.

Zyrbaiakor · Mar 5, 2016

Is WynnExcavation Site D the "last" quest in Wynn? I know there are higher leveled quests in Wynn but this one seems to be the finale.

And in the quest "Rise of the Quartron" (it should really be called Rise and Fall of the Quartron), you beat up Popo for the contract.
11/10 experienced soldier bullying civilians

DarkDemonDragon · Mar 5, 2016

Zyrbaiakor said: ↑

Is WynnExcavation Site D the "last" quest in Wynn? I know there are higher leveled quests in Wynn but this one seems to be the finale.

And in the quest "Rise of the Quartron" (it should really be called Rise and Fall of the Quartron), you beat up Popo for the contract.
11/10 experienced soldier bullying civilians
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Well it's the finale in pre Gavel.

PillowPet · Mar 5, 2016

Kaelan said: ↑

there is no harm in necroposting is doesn't hurt the website or you.
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Supermariowifi said: ↑

Why does everyone whine so much about Necroposting, I mean, I've never had or seen the problem with it. Plus it wasn't even a necro.
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It's against the rules and hides new quality content.

DrakeM1 · Mar 7, 2016

PillowPet said: ↑

It's against the rules and hides new quality content.
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That is true.

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Maybe DDD should close the thread. Is that even possible?

DarkDemonDragon · Mar 7, 2016

DrakeM1 said: ↑

That is true.

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Maybe DDD should close the thread. Is that even possible?
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I can request it whenever I want through a PM and moderators usually close threads 99% of the time if the owner requests it.

DrakeM1 · Mar 7, 2016

DarkDemonDragon said: ↑

I can request it whenever I want through a PM and moderators usually close threads 99% of the time if the owner requests it.
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I don't think you should close it yet, but sooner or later you should. This is one of my favorite threads on the forums, and you did a fantastic job on the theory. :)

NamesAreHard · Jul 15, 2016

for all the good the character (you) have done there has to be some bad and if you think about it more the character (you) has also commented many accounts of murder broken into places broken out of jail stolen things and more

XavierEXE · Jul 15, 2016

TomatoViking said: ↑

for all the good the character (you) have done there has to be some bad and if you think about it more the character (you) has also commented many accounts of murder broken into places broken out of jail stolen things and more
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We all reeeaaally appreciate that necropost.

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