Game Design The Eldritch Outlook Rant

I actually like some of the parts of the dungeon, except for something... that I must rant about it.

First of all, dungeon keys are so fucked up. The chance of an EO key guardian spawning is nearly zero, like come on, I searched for the key for like 3 hours, and I was like "is doing the quest the only way to get it?" cuz I searched for every places in the Silent Expanse. That is why an EO key worth around 50eb in the market. That is basically why the only way to get in is wait for dungeon bombs. Such low spawn rate of key guardians actually do nothing but discourage poor people from playing this dungeon.

Then for the rooms. Personally I like the token rooms, they are generic but not so generic like those in (C)DS or old (C)SST. Nevertheless, FF token rooms are miles ahead from this because tokens in FF are scraps or volatile cores. Why don't you guys do the same to EO (and other dungeons as well)? It seems very illogical that a token can remove magical barriers and blow up walls. The "tokens to proceed" concept is way too generic, think of something else to remove barriers or blow walls up.

The parkour is very fucked up. Personally I am okay at that parkour, but earlier today when I played that parkour I saw some guy waiting for his friend in the parkour for like 10 minutes. That is very dumb when you are doing this with a friend who is bad at parkour.

FInally, about the Eye. It has too much health, like 3.5mil. I know archer could build a dps build with nighthawk, but what about those who are not archers? Mages could kinda do this I guess, but what about assassins and warriors? Also the wretches that take away 90% of your current HP which discourages tank builds? Yes, the boss is meant to be challenging, but I don't really think a boss that takes like 10 minutes to kill and kills you in an instant could be deemed challenging. And once again, you paid a dungeon bomb or 50eb to attempt this for a Hunter's calling and ultimate discovery. Such difficult boss could do nothing but to prevent people from enjoying further content (a Hunter's calling and discoveries, as well as Dern after 2-3 years).

Ok thank you for your time to see me ranting, k thx bai

 

I've actually found a few key guardians. Just lootrun the Expanse, especially Eyeball forest (I've found at least 3 in the forest alone). Pretty sure people look less in the Eyeball Forest, so the guardians last longer without being killed

I agree about the token room, FF's token room was so much better than all the other dungeons (probably because the rest of FF is such a massive pain in the ass)

If you use optifine zoom straight down on the parkour and change your FOV it really isn't too bad

I fucking hate the Eye. I get that it's supposed to be challenging, but pretty much the whole test of this is whether you can see a laser, along with being able to DPS the wrenches. If you can do these once, you can do them 100 times. There's literally no reason to make players get carpal tunnel for 20 minutes to kill a boss.

 

I agree with everything here except the Eye. I like the Eye because its not meant to be solo'd. You need a good team balance; tanks to deal with ads, mages to heal, archers/assassins to DPS, etc. It's my favorite boss in Wynn for that reason. It's not just corner the boss and spam spells, occasionally healing.

 

Personally, I have only beaten The Eye by soloing, not by groups. This is because of The Eye becoming more difficult the more players there are. It is meant to encourage groups but I’ve never beaten it in a group. That may just be a “me problem” but I can’t beat this boss in a group.

 

This is not actually true. For about 70% of classes and playstyles, the Eye is much easier alone than in a group (because of the attack rate scaling with number of people). For the remainder, it's far harder solo and maybe manageable in a small group.

 

A lot of these problems seem to have been addressed in the most recent patch. First of all, idk if its just me, but EO key guardians are so much more common than they first were. Before the patch, I only found like two over the course of two weeks, and since the patch, I’ve found five in the course of two days. However, the dungeon key system as a whole is bad and should be revamped asap (I shouldn’t have to face RNG bs just to enter a dungeon...).

The mirror room is actually my least favorite room in the dungeon. It feels more tedious than it needs to; Kill the mobs, switch sides, wait until the tripwire works to switch sides again, rinse and repeat. The “boss rush” room is okay though.

As for the parkour...I understand the frustration here. The platforms are irregularly shaped and the spacing is inconsistent. But they removed the last section of it, which makes things so much easier. It’s really not that bad now; With all the parkour shoehorned into quests, you really should be competent at it by now.

I really like the Eye bossfight. Imo, it’s better for it to be this way rather than it being a Dark Beast Ganon situation. However, I understand why other people don’t. It punishes other playstyles too much. The Eye is really just a test of endurance, so glass cannons are screwed here. Also, as annoying as it can be, locking content behind completion of the dungeon makes sense. Up until this point, dungeons have been “side content”, never the main focus of the story, just another thing happening in the world. The Eye, on the other hand, is the overseer of Wynn; It has appeared on Wynn’s logo since as long as I can remember, and it serves as the final boss of the game for now. Making it completely optional feels wrong.

 

Idk about the key guards man, I ground for like 3-4 hours and got like 35 keys

 

Idk about spell warrior but i have been able to do it just morph assassin (used black). I have also seen people solo the eye with non-mythic warrior tierstack.

What sucks the most in my opinion is the fact that the eye has ridiculous air and water defense. This basically forces you to use other elements and completely restricts two of the five, which in my opinion is somewhat bad design - you should be able to have the chance to beat the eye with any element in my opinion.

 

the eye is supposed to be ridiculously difficult

 

420/300 in the first form,
315/225 in the second form,
210/150 in the third form, and
0 in the final form.

Ridiculous? Basic mobs have higher defenses than that, the minibosses and enemies in previous rooms have better defenses, and I tested it was possible with a defensive Tidebinder build, being able to inflict damage to it effectively with these values. I can't comprehend that if that was possible, others with super-optimized water and air-incorporating builds are duds against the boss.

 

All right, I didn’t know the exact amounts and thought that it was more. Thanks for the clarification.

 

I would say over twice the base power of a Super Fast weapon from the highest damage class counts as ridiculous.

 

EO suffers most from the basic limitations of Minecraft, and those issues are emphasized when in a group.
There are definitely balance issues as well, but that's mostly due to the interaction of attack speeds with elemental defenses.

Isn't it refreshing to see a dungeon that isn't spammed for XP though?

 

what exactly are the limitations EO suffers from, there doesn't seem to be anything in the dungeon necessarily pushing MC to its limits

 

Reliance on particle indicators in a first-person view with lag and other players factored in is the most obvious.

 

I wasted 30 minutes when my friend waiting for me, still didn't pass the parkour. Never gonna do the dungeon again