Any Class Stop Making Glass Melee Builds + Melee Build Tips

KirbyPlayzMC · Feb 22, 2017

Ok so you were not talking about death at all?
Edit: Or death's build

KirbyPlayzMC · Feb 22, 2017

I don't understand ur first post.
Sorry if I annoyed you at some point
I'm out
Im just a weak little level 57

mike88 · Feb 23, 2017

SilverMirror said: ↑

but my thread is melee based...

the point is you can't be a tank with melee, especially if you choose to use statue
sure you have loads of hp but because of melee builds, you need to increase attack speed, so you basically cannot use any other tank gears like gravity, its just a matter of seconds before you die in front of wybel or qira if you choose to use rage because of no elemental defence
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Well I have seen you post your link in other alka builds that are not melee based

Bailwolf · Feb 23, 2017

creature said: ↑

solo'd
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Soloed

JaydonTheWarrior · Mar 31, 2017

SilverMirror said: ↑

This thread is addressed to those people who keep suggesting death trap melee builds thinking they are awesome because they kill some boss in 10 seconds not knowing how impractical and frail their builds are. Especially the Earth Sanct + Statue Alka melee build. Basically there are three main aspect for a good melee builds

1. Damage
- boosting damage and attack tier is important for melee build as that's your main source of damage output. Some gears you might use will give either one and some attack tier gear will reduce damage, just balance it and test it yourself

2. Mobility
- with melee you got a ridiculous short range unless you're using archer which is weird, but whether how u make your melee build you need to move fast to dodge incoming attacks and keep up to your enemy.

3. Defences
- with melee you're constantly at close range with your foe you will take hits easily, high defence/agility/elemental defence is a must

Why earth sanct + statue alka melee build doesn't work:
Even with high hp pool you do not have great elemental defence, added that you basically can't move at all to dodge attacks or keep up to your enemy, and low defences/agility, if anyone use this build to try to solo bosses that move fast (wybel) or spawn a lot of minions (qira) it basically doesn't work. You will die in 3 hits and thats not good for business. The only way this build can possibly works is that you have entire team build around focusing keeping you alive when u fight boss, archers give u speed and mages just spam heal on you and keep the boss stationary with ice snake.

Why glass cannon does not work on melee builds:
Actually glass cannon build should not work on any build at all as in order for you do to damage you should have some degree of survivability. But at least if you're using high damage spells in long range you can have a chance in not getting hit, which melee builds doesn't hv that range. So mobility and defences might be even more important than damage itself.

Lastly a quick pro tip
Elemental defences calculated differently in spells and melee, meaning you can easily damage qira with elemental melee builds but not elemental spells. I tried damaging qira using a 4k per hit grim melee build but cannot hurt her with my 20k spin cata build

let the flame war begins
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creature said: ↑

*begin
*wars
*Let
*you forgot a . at the end of your sentence.

Bring it on.

A build that can kill 'some boss' (I'm assuming we're talking endgame bosses here, qira, orange wybel. Not the big rat from thieving rodents.) in 10 seconds is in my eyes VERY practical.
Frail, perhaps. But VERY practical.

That's quite broadly taken. I'd say there are alot of other things you must take into consideration.
Compatibility with spells, range, type of damage, etc.

But if you were to take just these three, you'd only need 2/3 aspects.
(No need for mobility if you got good defense and vice versa.)

Soloing the wybel or qira 'basically' doesn't work with any class.
And whilst you can't move, you can use warscream to move your opponent. Don't forget that melee builds still have spells, the spells just dish out lil' to no damage.
(mhmk, war scream is based of melee damage for some reason, so in this case it'd hit like a truck. But that's a bug.)

than again, you're pretty likely to get oneshot by both of those bosses unless you're completely focussing on defense. So 3 hits isn't all that bad.

wut... teamwork?
lol im outta here.
*plays an mmorpg*
(seriously, neither of those bosses were ment to be solo'd (solod? solo-d? How do you spell that word?) Just because some people can kill them solo doesn't mean that a build is bad if you can't solothe bosses with it.)

I simply disagree.

cumulonimbus
aquarius
thunder sanctuary
shaggy boots

suppression
Detective's ring
Ariodo's Dial
Lightning flash

Cataclysm

Here's a build capable of 1-2 shotting basically everybody in the nether. Yet it has 5hp, if you're good with assassin. You'll basically only lose from things like cactus builds and in team fights.

I don't understand your logic here.
A: as melee you got a chance not to get hit, as well. (although I must say, on average people will most probably miss out on more damage with spells/archer's melee than with other melee.)
B: If you leave out damage, you're gonna be the one to lose.
Or have a tie.

You'll end up like JaydonTheWarrior. Having to /kill because you can afk the orange wybel but not out-dps it's regen.

I've noticed this as well, got any idea on why this is?
anyone?
If so, please quote this. I'd love to know.
Useful information in this quote.
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You are wrong sir. About the spell damage being differently from melee hits when it comes to elem def. it isn't in fact it's the exact samething.
The reason you can deal damage with a melee build not cata is because for some reason, jum jum fucked up.
Elem def subtracts the base dmg if a wep and not te total dmg you are taking .
So for example if I hit something with a weapon that does 10-20 dmg super fast attack speed, like 5000% spell damage and it deals thunder. If the mob/player I'm hitting has over 20 elem def in thunder, I do no damage at all...

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To see more on this look at my thread over elem def.

Also sorry for my English, I have a disorder and I'm on my phone so I don't have grammerly

I hope you could understand at least something ._.

JaydonTheWarrior · Mar 31, 2017

SilverMirror said: ↑

This thread was made 4 months ago, you haven't posted your elem def discovery and motoki hasn't discovered the ways of damage calculation, creatures also quitted now. This thread was basically dead and sometimes got revived to demonstrate the concept of melee builds

Ofc we all knows what u said is true right now, but yeh if you feel like deliberately necro and "correcting" an old concept then ofc u can do that too
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someone linked this thread in another thread, I honestly didn't look at the date before posting.

orange0401 · Apr 24, 2017

I'm bumping this, this needs to be read by more people.

orange0401 · Apr 27, 2017

bumpity bump

Mistrise Mystic · May 12, 2017

SilverMirror said: ↑

Actually glass cannon build should not work
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I call BS

JackyKit · May 12, 2017

SilverMirror said: ↑

the point is you can't be a tank with melee
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nailed it

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SilverMirror said: ↑

Actually glass cannon build should not work on any build at all
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Welcome to the glass build section in here we're going talk about how u make a glass cannon build

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