In the News (spoilers) Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion.

DrX2345 · Jan 8, 2018

I reckon Luke is going to come back as some more-powerful-than-usual Force Ghost, and I don't think he properly died. I think he chose to become one with the Force (I am one with the force and the force is with me etc), so he might have retained more of his considerable power.

Who liked the Praetorian Guards' interpretive dancing in the background of the first Snoke scene? It's like, Kylo moves towards him and they start making poses and throwing shapes with their weapons but iirc don't even move towards him more than like a step. Not a big deal, I just noticed them and found it funny

CFuller06 · Jan 13, 2018

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ok
uh
lets start with the finn and rose plotline
it's stupid
it's, like 40 minutes of wasted screentime that leads to two (minor) things happening: phasma dies, there's a force-sensitive kid.
woo.
The character of Rose is useless, too, like they could've gotten some established character to keep Finn from running, like, say, BB8 who isn't tied up in anything at that point in the story (unlike Poe). That also would've made Finn's decision NOT to run away a lot better as it would seem like he's actually invested in his friends rather than some fat asian chick who we don't even know.

On the topic of Rose's sister: We're supposed to care about her. But why? It's a war. People die. too bad so sad. So why should I care?

On the topic of the bombships: They're stupid, how tf are they supposed to DROP bombs in SPACE. Gravity wouldn't have pulled the bombs in towards the dreadnaught. They would have just floated. In space. Unless they were pushed down by some mechanism, which makes sense (sorta, but why not make them, like, rocket powered? Then you can control them. That seems so much more efficient and effective).

Also the rebel 'fleet' losing all their ships (I mean you can't really call it a fleet if you have one ship, right?), like, they should've kept going in the same direction because of Newton's 1st law (of motion - I assume physics is the same in the star wars universe [at least in space]). And since they run out of fuel in literally the middle of nowhere, there wouldn't be any gravity to affect their trajectory - oh wait there's the 'secret asspull planet,' amirite? So the planet's gravity should've pulled it towards it (the planet).

Also if we're supposed to believe that life (and breathable air) exists on this planet, that would mean it's in the so-called 'goldilocks zone' where life can exist. Why can't we see the star that it (the planet) belongs to? Like, this may have just been me not noticing things, but... where's the planet's star? How can it EXIST without a star (or two)??

Why do Finn and Rose love each other at the end? Like, Rose has kinda just.. been a jerk to Finn, and now they're in love? ???

The mutiny plot is STUPID. If purple hair lady had just EXPLAINED the plan to an 'impulsive flyboy' then everything would have turned out fine. But noo you have to go and have a mutiny because some purple hair lady doesn't think it's right to explain a plan to escape to one of her officers. wtf? how is anything supposed to get done if you run anything like THAT? How do you think 'NOT TELLING THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT WHAT THE PLAN IS' IS A GOOD IDEA?????

How'd the stoned codebreaker know that there was a fleet of 30 (or so) rebel transports heading towards the planet?? How'd he even get the time to make a deal with the First Order??

Why is Rey still a Mary Sue?
Ok actually she's not a total mary sue because the deal with her parents actually becomes an actual hangup for her (sorta) which is good, but now that I feel like it's resolved, uh, does Rey have flaws?
ok actually she does, like (imo) being impulsive and quick to trust.
It's actually pretty funny when rey 'reaches out' and luke slaps her with a stick
Why'd Rey get drawn to the uh, dark pit thing in the first place? Like, she just is like
"oh yea I'm heading towards a pit"
luke: "fuck, shit, uh STOP"
Luke says that the pit thing reached out to her and like made promises and stuff (you know what I mean). Wouldn't it be cooler if this (seemingly big - that's a missed opportunity, i'm going to talk about it later) was actually shown to us? Like, "Reyyy your parents... I know..." and like we'd progress from there. That would've been cool! instead the writers forgot about 'show, don't tell' (which I'm sure is like the most vague piece of writing advice you'll ever get).

The crystal foxes are pretty cool
I think we can all agree on that

Snoke is super cool. First, I like his character design, how it appeared in the first movie (the force awakens). Now it just looks like he's wearing a bathrobe. Andy Serkis did a really good job of portraying Snoke and I loved every minute he was onscreen.
Except for that giant head hologram thing.
That was
a bit strange.
Also the way he dies is stupid. Snoke is insanely powerful with the force. He can affect things (with the force) through a HOLOGRAM. He tosses Rey around like a rag doll and it's actually fun to watch how much more powerful he is than any other character we see onscreen (except maybe Luke but we don't see him manipulating things with the force from long-range. The only thing we see him do is make an illusion [albeit from millions of miles away]). So he dies... because his eyes are closed. He's still holding Rey up in the air. So how tf does he not feel the presence of the force (manipulated by kylo ren) like literally right next to him?? He's super attuned to the force and he. Does. Not. Notice. This. wtf, he totally should have noticed it and completely shut it down. But noo, he died not because it made sense in context, because the plot requires Snoke to die. We don't even see how he turns Kylo Ren to the dark side. We don't see why he's super powerful. That would've been awesome! But no, he just has to die.

Ok so y'know purple hair lady's sacrifice at the end? That's also stupid.
Let's start with hyperspace. As far as I know, going into hyperspace basically forces the ship in question into a different dimension (effectively). The ship basically becomes incorporeal or else it'd have to be dodging everything in space to get to its destination - this includes asteroids and other, smaller space rocks. What if you have to cross an asteroid belt and your ship isn't incorporeal? And it's big! How are you going to do that?
Two: If I remember correctly (and I'm pretty sure I do), Finn and Rose contact the rebellion while. In. Hyperspace. This shouldn't happen. This isn't a thing. You cannot contact other ships (via like, radio or something, whatever they use) while in hyperspace. Doesn't happen. There have been whole story beats involving the fact that YOU CAN'T CONTACT PEOPLE WHILE IN HYPERSPACE (and if the protagonists go out of hyperspace then they'll get caught by the bad guys [and presumably] killed). Ok, so this is canon in legends, apparently, so not actually canon in the current universe. I'm kind of averse to the thought that Disney retconned a lot of the extended universe. They kept some things, for sure, but I think it was a bad move to retcon much of it.
(also as a note you can force your ship out of hyperspace by 'entering' a planet's (or star's) gravity (im guessing it's at a certain point) and your ship gets torn out of hyperspace. That's fine, though, because if it acted on asteroids everyone would be fucked. Space is mostly empty, though. You can also rig your ship to do certain things if you get out of hyperspace, like, blow up (although only people like smugglers or something would use this).
How does purple hair lady jump to hyperspace (which is a different dimension, effectively) and then become corporeal? Doesn't make sense.

The way Luke dies is so anticlimactic. One second he's mocking Kylo Ren (which is a 'yay' moment) ten seconds later he's dead. Woo. No.. dramatic tension.. nothing sad... nothing to indicate he's going to die.. he just up and does it, like wtf. It's a very 'wait what' moment (or, 'wait, what, oh, he's dead, well rip, I guess I'm sad but if only the movie treated it like it was sad and momentous because this is a big fucking deal).

the milk dinos on Luke's island are wierd
the people who tend the huts on his island remind me of the pilgrims from dark souls 3
luke says to rey that he'll teach her "3 lessons, at dawn" but no, just one. and like, one-half of one.

Rey's parents being nobodies is such a missed opportunity. If her parents were special in some way that might explain why a) she's so good at the force (in comparison to most other people in the movie - also the force isn't like, 'oh woo now I can move stuff even though I have no prior training' it's a thing that you cannot bend to your will unless you've been trained and you've meditated and stuff [you might be able to feel it but that's a big might]- even the prequels get this right).

<will type more tomorrow>
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What are you talking about Disney is going to make a Snoke anthology film to milk the living hell out of the money-producing cow that is star wars.

Poiu429 · Jan 13, 2018

CFuller06 said: ↑

What are you talking about Disney is going to make a Snoke anthology film to milk the living hell out of the money-producing cow that is star wars.
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Revealed when? Link me to an interview, vid, etc.

Locky1110 · Jan 13, 2018

Jamieverse said: ↑

Honestly, it was ok. I'm kinda mad they had to kill off Luke, since I felt like he would play more of a key roll as a living human rather then a force ghost. Also, I feel like instead of finishing up some unfinished plots from Force Awakens, they kinda just added more plot lines to the whole jumble. And at the end of the movie, it didn't actually really change. We're back where we are. Just some rebels running from the Republic. The only think I liked about the ending was when Luke heckin roasts the shit out of Kylo like 3 times.
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Luke had to die off someday
he's getting old and all he did was stand in one spot on the island for 2 minutes and drank milk from those weird cow giraffe things. The only time he was in The Force Awakens was the final scene.
My favorite part of when luke roasted kylo was when he wiped his shoulder after getting shot 200 times

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Ok now, graphics were stellar. The visuals were beautiful. The landscape seemed so surreal, and the creatures, especially the ice fox thingies were so great. Only complaint would be the porgs, and Yoda. The porgs seemed to have a weird jolty move, as if they just had two strings tied to the arms to make them move. But in some scenes they were nice. Yoda, while I liked the throwback to the originals with the use of puppetry, it just seemed unnatural and weird. I wouldn't want a CGI yoda, but the way this Yoda looked made me feel like it was some weird Nick show. But the worlds, the space, the locations. All beautiful and stunning.
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What do you have with the porgs
they are literately a heckin' side character that appears when chewbacca is eating some food and when he flys the falcon
it really doesn't matter how they move, because they aren't crucial towards the plot.
Yoda was... eh it wasn't very fitting for him to come at the time
in my head while watching it i was like "If someone was watching luke talk to yoda, then would it just look like luke was talking to rock that yoda was standing on like an insane person?" and he just murdered the ancient republic text :(
yoda didn't need to be there

Jamieverse said: ↑

The music was amazing as well. Honestly, the main titles were uplifting as usual, and whenever they bring the music to a sad, slow tune, I can't help but tear up. John Williams is truly a master. The final battle, and when Luke died was where I teared up the most. Simply amazing.
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tru dat

Jamieverse said: ↑

The cast was great as well. John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Daisy Ridley, Mark Hamill, and everyone else did fantastic. With love to Carrie Fisher, let her legacy live on. Only thing I thought was odd was her force flying through space. Didn't seem really... possible, but I mean it is Star Wars. But the cast, great.
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I'm just wondering how they're gonna kill off leia (if somehow Carrie is reading this, sorry and may ur legacy live on :c) They acted as if she was alive at the end (and yes at the time she was) but they can't film her ded body, cause that's dangerous, disrespectful, and incredibly hard to do.

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Honestly, if you go to the movies to enjoy a thriller, action packed with space lasers and stuff, this movie is the one for you. If you're more of a fanatic on Star Wars, this might get you a bit irked in some parts. But overall, this movie was well rounded, and while I don't completely agree with where Disney has taken the franchise, I hope they at least give it a great ending, and try not to milk this cash cow too much. A couple final things, but bullet notes.
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sure was a great movie

Jamieverse said: ↑

Space flying from Leia

Why the asian chick saved Finn. Honestly, I love him. But I feel like the scene would have been more epic, had he made a selfless sacrifice for the team. Also then Luke would be alive.

I hated Laura Dern at first. But god, did it pay off in the end. Because it portrays her as this selfish person, but in the end, she was really the most courageous. Hats off to her and how she played the part.

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i didn't know the leia flying thru time and space either

Rose did say why, but it sounded like something a 5 year old would say,"I saved ur lief dummy. WE dOn'T FIgHt WHat wE HatE, WE saVe WhAt wE luV"

we all hate laura dern
wait a minute
dern
3xtwistedtitan

anyway
laura dern is still my most hated character to me cuz she was a dirtbag to poe

Jamieverse said: ↑

OVERALL: 8.5/10
B+

Oi if you disagree, or have any theories, or even agree, tell me in the comments I want to talk with other fanbois.
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ew b+
id say around A - A-
it won't be an A+ cuz reasons u stated
and it was more jokes than story (not that there's anything wrong with that)

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