Game Mechanics Some shaman mythic and legendary / boots balancing suggestions

Shaman Mythics are so unbalanced



Sunstar


Neutral damage: 200-260 > 245-295


Thunder damage: 375-545 > 395-595


Agility skill point: 0 > +45


Dexterity requirement: 115 > 95


Thunder damage %: 26% > 33%


Melee damage %: 0% > 33%


Raw melee damage: 750 > 1000


Lifesteal: 813 > 1230


4th spell cost: 0 > -12



Hadal


Water damage: 1750-2150 > 1500-2000


Intelligence skill point: 0 > 80


Spell damage: 98 > 70


Water damage: 0 > 70


3rd spell cost: 34% > 30% (maximum 90%)


4th spell cost: 34% > 0%


Mana regen: 39/5 > 70/5



Olympic


Air damage: 345-375 > 290-330


Air damage %: 26% > 66%


Agility skill point: 25 > 55


Air defense: 39% > 69%


1st spell cost: -13 > -80


2nd spell cost: -13 > -80


3rd spell cost: 0 > -80


4th spell cost: 0 > -10


Agility requirement: 105 > 85



Immolation


Fire damage: 200-440 > 180-420

Air damage: 310-330 > 270-310

Defense requirement: 80 > 70

Agility requirement: 80 > 70


Overdrive is too overpowered


Overdrive

Health regen: -70 > -180

Intelligence requirement: 44 > 65

Dexterity requirement: 44 > 65

Water Damage: 104-112 > 84-102

Thunder Damage: 104-112 > 84-102

Spell damage %: 1495% > 1295%


Royal hydrangea

Water Damage %: -25% > 0%

Air Damage %: -25% > 0%

Intelligence skill point: 15 > 25


Agility skill point: 25 > 35


Spell damage %: 65% > 55%


Slayer should be buffed to make first spell classes more viable for hybrid (like archer)


Slayer

1st spell cost %: 0% > -39%

Health regen: -189 > -188

 

Look look look look. I hate to constantly drag-click and reply to your stuff on here but- I LOVE Sunstar. I've loved it for as long as I can remember and I've used it ever since I got a double loot drop back in 2020 but this buff of yours seems super overtuned. You buffed every single stat... SIGNIFICANTLY. I'm not item maker but if I had to critique your suggestions I would just stick with the raw melee buff (it used to be 1k melee iirc), like Epoch and Lumina , AND idk how the Item Maker stands with Immolation vs Sunstar (and maybe Fantasia) but I truly think Sunstar deserves the -3rd cost. I think the life steal buff would be neat too tbh. OTHERWISE your buff is just way too strong. Sunstar right now, while flopping in comparison to its mythic counter-parts - is still very strong and 100% viable.

Oh right, I missed this one. +45 dexterity WTF. I remember someone suggesting some +agility (idk like +15-30) which I thought was neat. I also think walk speed could be neat as Olympic go boing instead.

....why? Need I explain myself.

I won't comment on the rest of your Hadal ideas since I can't say I've used it NEARLY to the level of some of the other reliks. It still looks like you're buffing it too much tho... Hadal is very strong and I think, currently, fine?

WHAT IS WITH YOU AND GIVING STUPID AMOUNTS OF %ELE DMG??!? Stahp

I don't think this makes much different, realistically? Epic Totem Smash but totem smash isn't viable lol (Item Makers if you see this you owe me Totem Self-Destruct or faster totem flight )

OKAY DUDE NOW I CANNOT TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. WHAT????

Why tho? Immolation is COMPLETELY fine right now and honestly busted (casting a big shadow on Sunstar right now imo).

I'm no numbers expert so I won't comment on the damage here but I can back an Overdrive nerf by making it harder to use like, as you've done, increasing reqs or adding hpr. Needs some kind of drawback. But hey, maybe I'm just salty because Overdrive A) shits on a lot of non-mythic and even mythic-builds and B) ain't nobody using cancelstack :despair:

I haven't used Royal Hydrangea in a long ass time so no comment.

Spoiler: Off-topic

Isn't is such a pretty flower though? We have lots in the UK. Comes in more colours too

I am banning you from forums.

 

lol i wonder how i can use sunstar better its so difficult to solo LI with it even with the best optimised sunstar build

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made some changes to the thread

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nerfed sunstar a bit

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i love sunstar too :3

 

Wait, what’s the “best optimized” sunstar build?

 

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/build...ON0OO0Qu0r1p+n0d1B1g000010036CWz3+++----w3jH3

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bad tomes on shaman lol

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how can i improve sunstar build

 

Idk about sunstar specifically, but if you can’t solo LI with it, I’d make a build you’re confident you can solo LI with

Big numbers look good on paper, but you don’t get to use the big numbers if you’re dead

 

i try to get as much damage as possible on my build, but end up with only 20k ehp and bad mana regen and negative manasteal

 

Compromise on your damage to get better ehp and such then (a build isn’t good if it can’t solo LI, no matter how much damage it has on paper)

Also, in regards to the actual thread. The changes you suggest are nutty. Like -80 costs on Oly? Nerfing base but increasing air dmg (basically doing nothing but making the weapon more roll reliant)?
210 int on hadal
Kinda weird and exceedingly unbalanced proposed changes

 

the 210 int doesnt even matter on hadal lol

 

I mean…that’s my point

 

anyways lol please help me with sunstar build :D

 

Slapped together but basically doubled your ehp. Building thunder mythics really isn’t my forte though (neither is no int building)
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/build...Fl0OO0Qu0r1p+m0h1U1g000010036Czz++++----w3jH3
WynnBuilder build:
> Brainwash
> Sparkling Plate
> Dark Shroud
> Slayer
> Breezehands
> Intensity
> Euouae
> Diamond Static Necklace
> Sunstar [t6t6t6]

 

ty 10character

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yo this one actually good

 

Improved your build by a bit:
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/build...Fl0OO0Qu0B1p-Y1G1b1g000010036Czz++++----w3jH3
WynnBuilder build:
> Nephilim
> Sparkling Plate
> Dark Shroud
> Slayer
> Breezehands
> Intensity
> Euouae
> Diamond Static Necklace
> Sunstar [t6t6t6]

 

ty for build