SPOILER Siegfried Vs Bob (gavel Vs Wynn)

Amadel, Ozoth, etc.

 

I think that those were dealt with eventually. OP also says that the map (excluding lvl req) is what we have to go off of. Everything from that point on is speculation, so reasoning can divert paths based on what you believe happened.

 

Those were dealt with by the player, even if we used the current map Ozoth would still be a problem, Olux would be suffering from poisoned crops, the barracks (can't remember the name) would be controlled by a shape shifter, Thesead would be out of coal, Gylia watch would be taken by the Gerts, half of the Canyon of the Lost would be inaccessible because of some stupid wizard and Llevigar would be receiving fire-axe weilding orc attacks.

EDIT: Also the op never said that the current map is what we have to go off of.

 

My bad, I made a mistake.
I think what we need is a shared understanding of what is happening in the provinces at the time of this war. Are the Elves and Villager friendly or no? Are the Orcs a threat? Basically everything that you just mentioned. I went in with the thought that these were no longer an issue and were resolved at some point in time. But others might think of their effects and ramifications and make judgments off that. So the outcome of this hypothetical war could be different depending on what you believe has or hasn't happened.

 

Siegfried is a fraud As I just said:

 

Gavel has natural bariers tho , how can u march an army into the skyisland or swamps

 

why is there still a spoiler tag

 

As I said, Ahmsord wouldn't be easy to attack. The swamp however, is far more solid ground than it is actual swamp, so attacking it wouldn't be a challenge, or at least not a big one. This also depends on if we're counting artillery or not, since it clearly exists.

 

well Siegfred is a corkian
they may help him out
but Bob and Siegfred aren't enemies
they have no problems with each other because they reside in different provinces

 

The main factor I see here is the ocean. If either side wants to send an army to attack the other, they're going to have to cross it and land, preferably where they can establish a camp and a safe way to land an army.

Gavel has an enormous advantage here. There are two points of entry, Llevigar, and Jofash, and the rest is impassable mountains. Jofash itself would be relatively easy to take, but past that would be difficult. Wynnian troops would be immediately bottlenecked into a tunnel in front of a fortified gate. Breaching it would be costly, but certainly possible. However, now they face the sky islands. They are connected by narrow, fairly rickety bridges which Gavel could easily destroy behind them to halt advances, and Wynn would basically be trapped. Essentially, they'd be stuck in Jofash with no way to advance further.
The other option is Llevigar. Gavel already have a naval base there, which they would do well to protect as an easy way to sail to Wynn. It's quite far from Nemract, so they would probably have time to extend the wall across the beach. If enough archers, mages and cannons were placed there, they probably defend themselves against most attacking Wynn forces (unless they burn it down). However, if the port falls, Llevigar has a great backup strategy - close the gate. It seems thick and sturdy enough to stand up to almost any attack, and it has prevented humans from entering Gavel for ages. There's probably no way past it. Invading Gavel from the sea would be almost impossible.

Wynn, on the other hand, presents a much easier target. They have an enormous length of coast stretching from Katoa to Bremminglar, all of which Gavel could land ships at. They also have only one major port, and it's very vulnerable. A large enough force arriving at Nemract would be disastrous. There's little high ground to make use of, and once they've landed they can access the whole town. It's also made almost entirely out of wood, so it's very vulnerable to fire. A decisive victory at Nemract would be catastrophic for Wynn, as they'd lose access to the sea and Gavel can just keep sending troops over (if you gave Bob Selchar it might be more interesting). They could also land pretty much anywhere else on the coast and set up camp.
While a naval invasion of the plains would be fairly simple, Gavel have another weapon that Wynn do not - airships. Gavel have a lot of these, and the large ones can carry a lot of people or cargo. This can allow them to get behind Wynnian fortifications and more easily attack fortified cities like Ragni or Troms. They could also use bombardment, which could destroy fortifications and supplies.

Gavel basically win by default because there's no reasonable way for Wynn to invade.

 

Wynn would probably win all because Bob is actually not a fraud unlike a person known through Gavel. The tunnel into Gavel will be decimated because of Bob and Gavel's lack of strong soldiers to guard it. This will leave Wynn's better army to take the main cities of Gavel with Bob assisting. The only way I could see Gavel kill Bob would be by throwing him into the infinite void of the Sky Islands(Hoping he does not land on one of the void islands that can get him back up) or maybe in lava in Rodoroc.

(When I say Bob I mean Bob's Rencarnation.)

 

You do realize that Gavel has literally no military while Wynn has all the aid of EVERY single Ragni Recruit from Fruma plus the average military. Gavel has no way to defend themselves (with their army) and have to practically solely rely on their architecture, environment and terrain to slow down the Wynnian forces. Llevigar would actually be easy to take because of the archers and mages on our side who can easily get over the wall without going through the front entrance. Or you can pull off a Trojan Horse on the greedy villagers and get in that way. Llevigar would be a massacre. What can the gollems do against fast archers and mages who can ice snake. And don't forget that lots of our recruits know the land of Gavel so the environment and terrain won't be much of a problem (except for maybe the volcano and the Sky Islands).

The only way I see Gavel standing a chance is attacking first and destroying Nemract eliminating fast travel for Wynn. Then Gavel would be on the aggressive but wouldn't do major damage because of the lack of an army (who cares about the Gylia Watch). Besides, the Ragni recruits can easily take down the airships sent from Gavel using Archers and Mages again. So this would result in a tie as for Wynn can't attack and Gavel wouldn't be able to make major damage (rip Nemract doe).

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We also have potential of Fruma and Corkus aiding Wynn as well because Fruma and Ragni have an agreement and the player aids Corkus a lot.

 

Gavel do have a military. There's the barracks in CotL along with many smaller bases around the province, along with the highly militarised dwarves. They also have a large population and could get a lot of conscripts as well.

I'm going with the lore on this. The gate was closed for hundreds of years and as far as we know, nobody got past it. It's also impossible ingame because of invisible walls.

Not if they fly high enough. Since Wynn have no air forces of their own, there's really no good defence against them flying out of reach of arrows and spells.

We have to assume they're not getting involved. This is Wynn vs Gavel.

 

A couple thoughts:
Wynn:
Ragni and Troms are OP. Bob fought off the largest swarms in ragni, and even if that fails, just blow up the bridges. With troms, destroy the great bridge, heavily guard the passage, and set explosives there. Unless Siegfried rides a dragon in and is somehow godlike in combat, ther is no way they can get to Troms. Detlas is vulnerable, but basically worthless seeing as it was build around trading. Almuj has a decent army of mercenaries, nessak and lusuco have no reason to be invaded, and they both have secret places they can go to (Barracks or Library)

Nemract would get rekt

Gavel:
Has 2 tunnels to enter. How hard can it be to defend that?

But..... Wynn not only has bob, but Yahya and Drale. Noone can defend against the madmen.

 

But siegfried, if i remember right, is from CORKUS?

 

Why is this thread even a thing?

 

I have a few things to comment on, you're also forgetting a few places.
1. Would the dwarves fight with the villagers, I kind of think they would be neutral.
2. Eltom is well defended and it has an airbase.
3. Selchar has a good location, it's in the middle of the ocean so it can reach anything and it's placed on rocks so you can't just walk in.

Parties everyone's forgetting about:
1. Vikings, I think they're human, they might help Wynn or raid ships for loot. They also have a few warriors.
2. Pirates, they'd probably raid ships, mainly villagers since they're closest to their base.
3. Greenskins, they'd fight villagers for sure.
4. Gerts, they'd probably fight the villagers.
5. Skyraiders, they're human I think, they could take out airships, which are mainly used by villagers.

 

This is quite an odd matchup so let's try to break it down from a strategic standpoint.

In the matchup of Bob vs Siegfried, Bob would most likely come out on top. Bob has been described as a demi-god, and he is obviously one of the hardest fights in the game (unless you wuss out and bring along your level 95 buddies like I did but doesn't matter). As well as this, Bob has great proficiency in all weapons, whereas Siegfried seems to only use one weapon, the sword. Because of that, Bob could easily pick off Siegfried at range with his archery skills and keep himself alive with his mage skills. And even if the Gavel representative were to somehow close the distance to Bob, the latter will easily be able to use his talent in Knavery and with a spear. Siegfried is given much less of a good case of winning, especially seeing as the items from the Fan Merchant are so poor in quality compared to all of Bob's Mythics. However, we cannot precisely judge Siegfried, especially seeing as we have never had a chance of fighting him, and his role as a myth may indicate much more power than we could have anticipated.

However, despite this, a Bob at his prime demigod phase is nigh impossible to beat in a 1v1 matchup. So this verdict would be

Bob defeats Siegfried

 

From what i remember from the Kingdom of sand quest, the rymek bandits (Creden Tibus) are honor bound to protect the desert, as in if gavel were to attack they would probably end up invading the desert. If the Creden Tibus is honor bound to protect the desert, surely they'd care if gavel were to attack, and respond by helping Wynn in this hypothetical war against Gavel.

 

Bob would obviously win (if he was alive). He is a master of all four classes while Siegfried seems to only use swords and he then has access to every spell. Also, 99% of the corkian mechs are rogue meaning that Corkus won’t put up an army for him.

As for Wynn vs. Gavel, the wynnic corruption would win. First Gavel’s villagers (the others would stay neutral or exploit the war to fight the villagers in Gavel.) would crush Nemract (and possibly Selchar to) but as there’s noone to trade with (from there) it doesn’t really matter.

The next town to get destroyed would be Detlas. The Roots of Corruption would be in the way forcing the villagers to go around. Detlas has an airbase along with a quite big human population which makes it a threat. If it was conquered and saw some (nonexistent) villager fortress building skills, it’s central location could be used to control the province.
While a smaller army captures Detlas, the major part would take Almuj.

Almuj’s heat would not be a problem if they had enough supplies. The wall could be blown up or flew over with airships (although archers with flaming arrows high in the Mesa could bring them down). Almuj is only built concentrically (that every part is higher than the ones outside it) in one direction mening that an attack from behind would give the villagers the upper hand after taking one building. The golems in the Emerald Labyrinth would kill a few when the villagers try to get the emeralds.

Neesak would be left alone since the Great Bridge would already be destroyed, it can’t help much, has a harsh climate and many dangers such as ToA, the House of Twain and Bob’s tomb just to name a few.

Ragni is quite easy to defend, sort of concentrical, mountains to destroy airships from, farms inside the walls, the strongest boss in Wynn, destroyable bridges, double walls and a dungeon full of corrupted. Ragni would stand.

Troms is very isolated. The passage and Great Bridge would both be destroyed, it is concentrical apart from the walls, mountains, the Corrupter of Worlds cave could be opened and he’d crush them all, very dangerous climate and aggressive natives. The villagers would either have to kamikaze bomb their airships or dig a new passage.
These towns would slowly tear Gavel down.

But the real gamechanger is Wynnexcavation, assuming they’ve gathered the crystals without the player. Amadel would most likely either help Gavel or betray them and continue the war after taking control. But this doesn’t change much. CoW could still kill him and cause their fall without leader. The real things are the kings of Troms and Ragni. They’re both villagers and both seem to have ties to Wynnexcavation (one has been ”infiltrated” by them and the other’s castle is connected to an excavation site). These two would surely help Gavel and lead them to victory.

Now, the villagers would destroy Neesak, Rymek and Lusuco easily and then move on to stop the corruption. They would then attempt to take important corrupted locations such as Skien’s island to prevent them from attacking them. This island in particular would not be easy to take however due to it’s sheer amount of undead. It must however be as they pose a threat to nearby ships. It would first destroy all means of leaving by Skien’s bombers blowing up ships coming near and the cannon blowing up ships further away. This would force the villagers into an offensive that would be everything but easy. The fortress’s maze like structure gives those that can navigate it (not the villagers) a massive advantage and lead to the villagers being killed one by one as there’s no way of the island.

This would cause a considerable setback for the villagers that also know little about battling corruption. Eventually, undead hordes would cause the villagers to flee as theyre building style is no match for the corription and Bak’al would see an opportunity to return and strike a last, fatal blow. With noone defending, the corruption would take over the province.