SPOILER Siegfried Vs Bob (gavel Vs Wynn)

The Eye is God/Beast of Realm of Dark/Dern that probably bring Decay to Realm of Light and Gavel, but not corruption. Corruption appeared when Light and Dark mixed, but how? Okay Road to Dern is close but Light is far from the portal, so again, how it was mixed?

 

why is there a spoiler and there was a thread just like this today you just copied the idea

 

I didn’t know my forum would catch this much people. I just randomly had an idea. Lol

 

no offense, but one and a half pages honestly isnt that much
especially when people reply twice

also, what was your opinion on it?

 

I thought like 1 person would comment. So, it isn't a lot. But a good amount for a rando idea, that is mostly incorrect xD
I guess its so popular because most people want to disagree on it

Also I think Wynn would Wynn

 

Siegfried is a fraud Tbh

 

Also more stuff you forgot, skyraiders and pirates.

 

Who would win, Siegfried and the Provinces of Gavel, or hero Bob and his army of the Wynn Provinces.
Note: Level Factors On Player Map Is Not A Factor

Who is on Siegfried's side? THE GAVEL PROVINCE
MVP: Llevigar the most prosperous Province of all of the discovered area, made of quartz. Quartz is on the stronger side, so possible good defense. It's built into the earth, so that's good fortification.
Olux - A broken Province, not very well developed, still a worthy opponent indeed. It has golems, but not much else.
Gelibord - A small developed Province. Poor, won't be able to contribute to the war.
Lexdale - A huge cultist lead Province, but still very powerful in taking down Wynn. If it's led by cultists, that's not good. It most likely won't take part in the war.
Cinfras - One of the other better Province with a well-developed place, and quite large as well. It's big and has an airbase, which is going to be useful.
Aldorei - Capital of the elves, with the greed of emeralds, they must be rich. Elves won't take part in a war. (war is selfish and violent after all)
Thanos - Relatively large Province, with a giant treasure vault with tons of goodies. Rich indeed! It's built underground and has strong fortifications and defenses.
Ahmsord - A safe-zone for Gavel as a skybase. Ehhhh, it's going to be hard for enemy troops to get through, but it's also going to be hell to get out of there, and it's a hostile environment to boot.
Thesead - A large mining town, another great place for resources. It's in the CotL, that's some pretty good defenses. It also provides for the province.
Karoc Quarry - All the quartz is from here, what made Llevigar rich and prosperous. Provides resources.
Eltom - City blocked off by mountains, another protection city. They're humans, they won't side with Gavel. (This could be a great espionage outpost for humans)
Rodoroc - One of the strongest cities, and also a great safezone for Gavel. It's in a volcano, that's some sic defense. They're protected by the Eradian guards, which are implied to be powerful in the lore of some legendaries.
Dogovi - Possibly the hardest place for Wynn attackers to get to. But it doesn't provide. It would be a good place to shelter refugees
I'd have to say that Gavel would be on the defense, as the province is walled-off by cliff faces, compared to Wynn's open coast. Its cities are also designed defensively.
Pros-
$$$$
A LOT of defense
Airbase for fast travel of troops
CotL is GREAT defense
Some form of espionage (Maltic)
Cons-
Not much of an army to fight with
Only the Villagers/Golems/Dwarves would be fighting (presumably)
Villagers aren't known to be a strong fighting force
There's no working government (monarchy, democracy, hierarchy) to our knowledge, so it's going to be hard to plan and execute attacks
A VILLAGE OF HUMANS THAT WOULD BE GIVING INFO TO WYNNIC ARMIES!!! SERIOUSLY GAVEL!!!
Who is on Bob's side? THE WYNN PROVINCE
MVP: Troms with a strong defense with soldiers, and ready to attack with a line of fire, and also a quite large Province, protected by mountains, as the Himalayas protect India. The few soldiers who get passed this obstacle will be faced with a tough military line. Troms does have a strong army and it's positioned defensively and is in a hostile environment that can ward off attackers, but isn't so hostile that you're stuck there.
Ragni - A mediocre Province with good defense and good army, not as royal as before, but still good. It's strongly built and has a history of surviving raids and attacks, there's also a lot of mercenaries posted there. It protects (some part) of Wynn's government so we can assume that security is tight,
Detlas - Another mediocre Province, not as good as Ragni, but alright. It's a trading town, not a military structure, as shown by the designs. This would be weak to an attack, and an attack to a major trade area can halt any supplies for the war. It does have some airships that can be used for travel. A trading hub is always useful in a war, as long as it's protected (This is a neutral note)
Maltic - A small Province with few people, some soldiers. This town is a sitting duck. (Though, the population is Maltic is predominatly villager, could be used for spying if it wan't so poor/in a bad area)
Nesaak - A cold deserted ice land with few people, but some still ready to attack. Also a good defense for people who are already used to the weather there. This could be useful in the sense of hard defense, just outlive the attacking army! But not much of a fighting force.
Lusuco - Same case as Nesaak but slightly more prosperous. This town is a gold mine, it can make EXPLOSIVES! (as seen in Frost Bitten) Explosives + Airships Would be a deadly combination. It also has the good defense of Nesaak. The only downside I can see is that it's too cut off from the rest of the province.
Nemract - A broken Province that once use to be a legacy, but with good ships to destroy. It could be used for naval ships, but it's not defended as well as other coastal cities (Llevigar).
Bremminglar - A small Province for few people, not too much of a competitor. Not a fighting force at all, it's also not well protected. They have potatoes. (This is neither a positive or a negative)
Ternaves - Home of the horses, so with the speed advantage to flee from dangerous battles. Cavalry, that's a pretty damn powerful asset in a war. The only downside is that it's not defended well.
Almuj - A desert oasis ready to take on many as a pretty developed place. It's THE RICHEST CITY IN THE PROVINCE and they are barricaded by a massive wall spanning the entire entrance to the desert, this is most likely the runner up in defense behind Troms and Lusuco. I've also noticed a lot of mercenaries/soldiers here.
Rymek - A relatively large Province compared to the others in Wynn. A good defense (In a friggin' canyon) with people who aren't afraid to kill to secure victory (bandits), I wouldn't cross them.
Selchar - Added island as a perfect safezone. This is a sitting duck.
(I added this because it's a village of humans)Eltom-City blocked by mountains, a protected city populated by humans in Gavel. This would be great for espionage. This town would be so powerful in a war.
Wynn would be on the offence, with more of a fighting force that's well trained ('kids learned to fight before they could speak' (Wynncraft Lore)).
Pros-
Cavalry
Lots of soldiers and combat-ready persons
They have a great Espionage outpost (Eltom)
They can manufacture arms and WMD's
Has a functioning Government (monarchy)
Cons-
Little defense on it's coast, most of it is deep into the Tundra or Jungle, not the best position
Not as rich as Gavel
Limited air tavel
Some cities couldn't contribute (Maltic, Selchar, Bremminglar)
If Detlas is taken out, that would be a major blow
I feel like Wynn would win this war, due to its more experienced army, and weapons. It also had a great asset in Eltom, as espionage is crucial to any war. A government that can organize attacks (King) is going to be more powerful than Gavel, who (to our knowledge) has no working government. Wynn's only weakness would be Detlas, which was not designed with good defenses. A successful attack to Detlas could be detrimental to Wynn's war effort.
Gavel does have the edge in defense though, the cliffs that border the sea makes it hard to attack. And most of it's cities are designed defensively. It's only weakness is that it's too defended, armies couldn't retreat effectively and would be trapped if Wynnic armies managed to invade. They also have a smaller fighting force compared to Wynn.
Will do a tactical/battle plans post for each of the provinces sometime this week. As inspired by @captainganon
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Bob vs Siegfried
NOTE: I used @(Meric) 's description of the cities

 

It was the greed of the villagers that was so strong that the succoru infected orphion, then another burrowed into the kander forest and caused the decay.

and this let a lot of darkness go into gavel and light realm since its defenses were breached from the inside.

 

They don't even know the golems come from there though.

 

But it has a golem factory. Even if golem production stopped, there still would be enough left over to use as a fighting force.

 

I know, but it's unclear if the Gavel government (or lack thereof) knows if golems come from Olux. Right now the city is one of the most poorly defended. It would be kind of stupid to leave one of your best sources of troops completely undefended.

 

True, but the Golems can act as both defense and offense, so it's not like it's completely undefended. You also have to take into account that a swamp is a hard place to move troops through, and the native hostile mobs are something Olux citizens are used to, while Wynnic armies aren't. It's like when Napoleon invaded Russia, he wasn't prepared for the hostile environment and was therefore greatly weakened, and lost.

 

I don’t know much about Gavel, but from what I know about Wynn, most of it will fall. Ragni isn’t particularly strong against Llevigar and all, but I get the feeling Troms is gonna USSR Gavel. Just treat Wynn like Eastern Europe and Gavel as Nazi Germany. Most of Wynn will fall (Ragni is too weak, Maltic will probably help Gavel, Detlas is a trading town and not a fort, Almuj may hold out better than other cities, but it will eventually fall, Nemract... , Selchar is going to be the Poland of Wynn, Nesaak is in an open place where enemies can attack from all sides, Lusuco is the opposite but there isn’t an escape route through the back, and Rymek probably won’t give two craps.), but Troms, being the indestructible fort it’s usually hailed as, will probably hold off against Gavel and push them back from the time they get to The Great Bridge. Anyways, it’s not like the people of Troms will have to rabbit to repopulate, there are places such as the Wolf Den or the Diamond Caves where people can hide in (though I don’t know how they’re gonna fight off the monsters, but it’s better than intelligent soldiers). Yeah, and once Troms is finished with the attacking forces, Wynn will converge on Gavel and slaughter them all, as many of the cities and settlements near the decay are weaker, and while they may have trouble against Rodoroc and Dogovi, once the rest of Gavel is conquered, those two cities will fall. Also, with the help of Eltom Gavel will eventually lose. Overall I think Wynn will win, but they will also suffer their fair share of losses and casualties. Also in the Bob vs Siegfried battle, Siegfried will obviously win, because BOB IS DEAD.
tho i think that fraud will lose to bob the zombie

 

A swamp isn't the ideal environment for giant lumps of metal either... Also, I'm assuming this war would take place at 1000+ AP and that all quests would already have taken place. This would mean that the humans know of the location of the factory.

Also, the mayor of Thesead knows of Eltom's existence, I can't believe nobody has mentioned this. Then again, the mayor of Eltom and the mayor of Thesead love each other. If Wynn were to be the aggressor, Thesead would probably be taken very quickly, ensuring control of the majority of Canyon of the lost. If Gavel were the aggressor the exact opposite would be the case.

 

The airships could shuttle out some golems and the factory would still be working, as no player would have uncovered the truth. (OP says that no players exist in this war, so no quests are completed)
For Eltom-Thesead thing, the mayor of Thesead will most likely keep Eltom a secret, as that would cause even more of a rift between Gavel and Wynn (this hypothetical rift being made when they went to war on each-other) and Thesead may just be a neutral party. If Thesead were to be neutral, the Gavel government would most likely put their version of martial law over Theasead, and take control of their resources.

 

??? If the war were to take place now/in the future, then a player would have uncovered the truth.

 

OP specifically states that this war takes place as if you the player did not exist, so no quests were carried out and neither were their effects.
The Golems are still in production. And the Elves and the Villagers are still on unfriendly terms.

 

If that's the case, then both Wynn and Gavel would've been a giant crater.

 

How so?