Revert Str / Dex Change

Should be self-explanatory to anyone who has been following the discussion (if not - does anyone want to go create a thread with the details of how gamebreaking this is?). I suspect even people who wanted this change can see how poorly it was deployed. If this change stays we will have a wildly, absurdly unbalanced game for likely many months, possibly a year, simply because of the amount of effects that this change has that were completely ignored and will take ages to fix. Practically every item in the game will need specific reworks. This is the biggest game balance change that's happened in my 2.5 years of activity and it was rolled out with no warning and no time for IMs to adjust anything.

Note: I am not necessarily arguing that this change, with requisite item changes, would be a good thing either. But that is a separate discussion. I think that, regardless of your position on whether or not Str/Dex should be multiplicative, you can see the issues with this rollout.

 

yes
nerf them

 

reintroduce it when the item pool is actually prepared for it

 

You can get 70k 1 cost storms with freedom, 27k bombs with olily and no mythics, 41k 1-cost uppers with saviours on hero, etc. this is stupid rn.

 

Just let the item team work, I'm sure before any new content is done this will be balanced. It does not really matter if people can make crazy builds right now, what are they going to do? Most of the people with these builds have already cleared most of the endgame content.

To clarify, the change is fine yes it is very very overpowered, but it more than likely won't be in the game like this for long.

 

the world is not yet ready for 70k dps cstack

 

The change in itself was not bad, the way it was executed it...could be improved. Every single build containing ET is stupid busted right now (600k quake), either change ET items or make it cap at around 40%

 

I just wanna second this that rainbow and ETW/ETW quads just got their damage basically doubled, with no buffs to any game content... ETW quads and rainbow are just gonna steamroll everything, lol

As reference:
Morph olily before this change: 10k bombs
Morph Olily after this change: 16.6k bombs, lol

 

Change the percentage values. It was too drastic of a buff for something that needed one. A suggestion is to keep it from affecting spells, hopefully bringing more melee/spell balance.

 

Yeah with the items we have now it's wayyyy too crazy, we still have items that were virtually untouched since 1.18 and even older

 

Even longer. The vast majority of items have not undergone balance changes in the time I've been active. There's going to be a massive tail on this change during which the game will be broken beyond belief.

 

people complained about nol being too hard and now we have multiplicative cherubim 3.

 

Honestly this yeah. Things will more than likely be adjusted, as was stated in the post. What harm does it do now? You can still clear content with non ET builds just as easily, so I don't see the harm it does long term, if things will be refined anyway

 

Revert, then bring it back when the item's get nerfed

 

The change to it should be reverted for the time being. This is indeed too drastic of a change to kindly allow for it in a Hotfix of all things.

I'm sure for many players who don't pay attention to numbers and calculations, this is essentially a blanketed buff to most Builds. However, for those who do look at the numbers (ex. Atlas Inc.) allowing this to be on live servers will have very bad effects for the PvE situation. LI and similar endgame challenges can now be killed with insane speed, and some people are starting to get around 850k Heavy Melee Quake procs (With SP Pots ofc). It's too much for a change that was entirely unexpected and not accounted for in any of the existing items.
I do support the change entirely though, don't get me wrong. But when a change like this is planned for implementation, a change that drastically shifts the meta and buffs so many builds and items that the PvE content becomes much more trivial, steps need to be taken in order to make sure this doesn't be implemented in a way that completely breaks the balance of many things.

Regardless of how fast the IMs work (And hopefully they work fast), the change needs to be reverted for the time being until they finish balancing. Of course, we now know about the change and can plan ahead and possibly contribute to the balancing, so that could speed up the process. But I'd rather let this be implemented with proper balance changes than just instantly with no warning or changes to counter the power it brings to everyone and everything.

 

when the legendary dungeon bow is better than a 5-20 stack mythic (spring)

 

Damn I was kinda excited bc Apoc was actually able to do really good dps :(

 

Agreed. This needs to be reverted for the time being.

 

It's not about whether they can balance it, it's about how long it will take. The changes needed to balance around this are much more than even the entirety of the elem revamp.

 

I agree, but I feel like the change isn't that far away. If it was, I would expect a lot more of the item team to be publicly going "HEY WHAT"