Regarding Pure

AmbassadorDazz · Apr 20, 2020

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There are a lot of things wrong with this thread; I'll start here.

The meteor numbers are way off; it looks like you got some of them (i.e. fatal) by plugging the wand into an empty wynndata build, added your int, and looked at meteor but without using powders!
This also fails to account for a normal build's skill point allocation: monster isn't going to be in a build with just defense (and int); usually it's going to have dex or str too. To simulate a normal build environment, it's a good idea to assign an equal amount of offensive and element matching skill points to compare damage (or just offensive if it's an offensive element weapon i.e. fatal just gets dex to look at dmg).

I gave each weapon 100 skill points in dex if it didn't already have points in dex or str:

Pure: 6.5k meteor
Lament: 8.3k meteor
Monster: 9.3k meteor
Fatal: 13.7k meteor
Gaia: 7.1k meteor
Singu: 13.2k meteor (rainbow so it has some str and dex; this one's weird for sp)

Of course, it's impractical to have 100 offensive sp + 100 def for monster, considering that the build will also need int, but not assigning the dex ignores the effects of the defensive sp entirely.
Even if you ignore the sp allocation, just adding powders makes the meteor numbers much more accurate. It's pretty important, considering pure has 0 powder slots.

There are 2 main issues with building pure. First, entropy means that you get more damage by getting more meteors, but it also means you have to spend a lot more mana per 4 seconds. Especially after the +1 3rd spell cost, pure is hungry. I find that it eats around 13-14 mana regen (+ natural) when I cycle meteor-meteor-ice relatively fast with 2 meteor cost (dragon's eye build for -3rd spell cost).

The other main issue pure faces is that it starts out with very high spell% and very low base damage. That means that adding additional spell% or element% does almost nothing to improve damage. Comparing a couple weapons:

Pure: 10% of additional spell% adds 88 meteor damage
Monster: 10% of additional spell% adds 352 meteor damage
Fatal: 10% of additional spell% adds 479 meteor damage

This creates some problems when building pure. Not only does the build have to have lots of mana and some -3rd spell cost, but it also means that spell oriented items with spell% add almost no damage and the build has to focus on adding raw spell. Items like memento only add around half as much damage as they would to other builds. There isn't much room to add damage to pure.

The result is the damage actual pure builds get. I usually see non-crafted builds with 10k-12k meteors and enough mana to spam meteors. Non-crafted fatal with decent tankiness builds around 24k in my experience, with the other mythic wands (lament...) trailing behind.

Pure has other weaknesses, like its very fast attack speed and 3 damage types (air, water, neutral). It's very easy for enemies to entirely resist pure with elemental defense; the eye only takes raw and neutral spell damage when I fight it with pure. However, it's still my favorite wand in the game. Casting fast meteors with pure is the only way I enjoy mage. This thread exaggerates pure's effectiveness and I think pure is in a great spot right now.
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Have you read the disclaimer, and the final note?

Obviously there's going to be different end results if you do proper building. I didn't add powders, to show base damages. I could've also nuked the +100 int, and take the base stats as is.

I'm not bashing Pure for being OP, it isn't. If you want me to make a proper comparison of all wand Mythics to Pure, so be it. I'll add a poll, see if people care, and update the thread to include proper information.

ccccccccccccccc · Apr 20, 2020

_Dazzle said: ↑

Have you read the disclaimer, and the final note?

Obviously there's going to be different end results if you do proper building. I didn't add powders, to show base damages. I could've also nuked the +100 int, and take the base stats as is.

I'm not bashing Pure for being OP, it isn't. If you want me to make a proper comparison of all wand Mythics to Pure, so be it. I'll add a poll, see if people care, and update the thread to include proper information.
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_Dazzle said: ↑

DISCLAIMER: All Mythics tested at 100 Intelligence, with the exception of Lament.
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I quoted the disclaimer in my post. I responded to say that it's a bad way of comparing damage, not to ignore it.

Powders (and how many slots a weapon has) are a part of base dps. There's a reason that pure doesn't have slots, and the other weapons do. They make a huge difference, even if you leave SP the same. Leaving powders out wasn't part of your disclaimer either.

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