Psa Regarding Item Bomb Item Levels

Alright, then how do you determine the item? Also, how do lower levels without the possibility of of a tier decied there's.

So allow me to understand, you have whatever chances to find a certain tier of item, for mythics its 7/1,000,000
After the game has figured out the tier of your item, it then gives you the item itself.

I deleted my post simply because that comment would have continually spiralled out of control, and generally make me seem somewhat stupid. However I do appreciate your explanation. I really only have one more question, were did you get your info?


Also, let me correct some miss understandings you seemingly had with what I said.

The if every thing was a mythic thing is still true, even if your idea of a system.
It's forced to give you 2 items, so if every time is a mythic then, yes, you would get 2 mythics.

2nd rolling a single dice 6 times is the same as rolling 6 of them at once.
At least probability wise, it means I have a 1/6 chance for everyone of those dice to stop at 6, were as rolling 6 times means I have a 1/6 chance Everytime I roll it.

 

I already said it actually:

Going back to my level 94 proposition for a quick example:
IF AND ONLY IF the chance of getting a mythic is 7/1,000,000
AND
the chance of getting Cataclysm out of the 25 possible mythics is 1/25, where all mythics are equally likely (fair)
THEN
the chance of getting Cataclysm at level 94 is 7/1,000,000*1/25 = 2.8e-7 or 0.00000028 or 28 hundred millionths if I did my scientific notation and decimal place naming correctly.

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The reason why I keep asking for the probability tables every chance I get on any thread related to getting items is because of exactly what you've been experiencing @JaydonTheWarrior .
It's no one's fault that statistical analysis is not intuitive OR that it is an easy way to trick people. We actually have a name for this phenomenon. It's called gambling addiction. We already know that video games are under scrutiny for loot box type elements, and I don't want to see item bombs be categorized the same way. The problem lies in the probability tables. Are item bombs better for obtaining specific items? Are they worse? What items could benefit? What items could detriment? I want to see those things and analyze the crap out of them, which is why I've been working on the probability calculator for eternity. It's only a fraction of what it could be if the probabilities were included in the wynncraft API. We could optimize how we play wynn to a higher degree is all. I enjoy the stats also. Hard to believe, but it's become my thing at this point ;).

 

Okay this got aggressive fast...

I think how the system is intended is for the bomb to roll a probability for the rarity (like with other items) and then give an item within the correct level range of the rarity selected. Probability is confusing but I don't want to see this thread turn into a flame war regarding how a system no one really knows about works. Please tone down the aggressiveness so the mods don't swoop in and close this thread for discussion. Thank you.

 

Heh those probability errors were triggering me too.

 

Also, does a loot bomb increase your chances of a mythic because you get 2 items(14/1000000 total?), or is each item "rolled" separately, but uses the same probability(two 7/1000000 rolls)? Or maybe something in between? There definitely isn't a pity system...(I wish there was)

 

This I agree with.

This I don't. If you remove all the other items in the game and leave only mythics with the same chance to drop (7/million) then you still have a (7/1000000)^2 chance of getting 2 items from the bomb, not 100%.

Here you corrected yourself. If you replace everything in the list with M to indicate mythic, then you can only get a mythic. What you had before was worded incorrectly.

Chances are rolled separately. I just said exactly what you're looking for here:

Apart from differential and integral calculus, or statistics, I used wynndata for items and inference based on how the item identification system works. That is well known and used to change all the values on items. Similar to the identification system, I suggest that wynncraft uses linked lists to generate items rather than one contiguous list. Obviously it makes more sense to do that for each ID, but it also makes sense to reduce complexity of code and increase abstraction. If none of that was satisfying, then I pulled it out my ass and am waiting for more information still.

 

So back to the mythic thing.

Item bombs are forced to give the player 2 items, sometimes even 3.
If there were only mythics available in your level range, it would give you 2 of those. There is, as far as I know, 0% chance that it gives you nothing, and if the only thing available is a mythic, then you will get 2 of those.

 

That is probably true, although it depends on how exactly the code is written.

 

At no level range is this possible. It's not relevant. It will give you an item of another rarity if mythic isn't available. There is always an item from another rarity than mythic at any level range. The same can't be said of all the other rarities, as there aren't mythics at every level range. Even if there wasn't any item at a given level range, like if an admin at level 104+ were to get items from an item bomb, it will probably default to the next highest level with items possible (currently 104), but that's mostly irrelevant speculation. @Salted ever tried it? Sounds fun.

 

Don't just @ salted, it scares the hell out me.

Also, yes your correct, there is no situation in where there would only be mythics. Its a hypothetical as to how the loot table still effects chance.

 

No, the cow's actually really nice. Clicking chat and getting an item isn't exactly groundbreaking either ;)

It does affect the chance, but only to an extent if the system uses linked lists.

 

Powders

 

Potatoes
wait what other items can you get in item bombs? I'm a hero rank that never used any item bombs before ;)

 

powders and items

 

Yes I know, I'm saying if there was nothing but mythics.
Again, never actually going to happen.