Patch 1.17.5 - Why Heal-lo There ;)

You put three dots at the end of your post. You have something to add to that, do you not?

 

More like there's other changes and buffs happening that I can't recall immediately offhand, rather than a "Yeah I did all this but there's also some shit"

 

*cries a single tear of joy*

 

when is the raw melee fix coming rip

 

Raw melee fix?

 

if you dont have any neutral damage like a weapon that has only elemental damage, the raw melee id doesnt do anything

 

The doesn't nearly outweigh the amount of Items/build nerfs that have happened though, I mean so many decent/good builds have been nerfed in the past few months that there isn't much of a meta anymore. Dont get me wrong there are viable builds, and somewhat of a meta. But whats the fun in the game if everything is perfectly balanced endgame wise? It seems like that is what has been happening. Yes, there are good endgame builds, but not nearly as much diversity as before.

 

Except diversity has been increasing as we're buffing less useful options and rebalancing the overpowered ones...

 

Diversity doesn't equal nearly every single build using Boreal-Patterned Aegis. Before this update the meta "diversity" was only like 15+ pieces of armor, not counting Mythics.

 

Question back to you.. whats the fun in playing with a build thats massively overpowered and so strong that you can fall asleep during boss fights and you ll still be fine?

For the first time people are actually being a bit more creative than "oki put some mr and dmg and then slap a few master hives on top" and for the first time in uh months you guys actually made builds that sparked some interest in me sooooo id say that diversity greatly increased ;D there are a lot more options and no clearly defined best strategy/build anymore and if thats not diversity then idfk.

 

I get your trying to rebalance things that are seen as op but op things, as long as they arent too op they are what make a game fun, give it a meta just not a bunch of uniqueness in builds but nothing is better than the other and everything being perfectly balanced. I know you want items to have a specific use, I understand that.

 

Which is why we are nerfing the things that are too op ;3 its just that your opinion of whats too op is different from ours.

Not really ._. while we encourage some uses and in some cases also lock items in certain ways for a reason we enjoy people getting creative and thinking out of the box. Thats literally the entire point of the system.

 

I agree, I dont believe there should been a single build/meta that dominates all others and is too op. What I am saying is if there is a ton of diversity and everything has a specific use but nothing is even slightly op, I just dont see how that is fun.

 

Diversity is the point of the item system. If you dont enjoy being able to play the game in every playstyle you want (to some extent) then unfortunately the item system isnt something for you. And as said before... not everything has a specific use lol. We dont make items like "k so i was thinking about making some tanky thunder boots to encourage the use of thunder sanctuary in a certain build. It also should discourage anima because yeh... etc etc". Its our primary rule to NEVER make items like this. Furthermore out of the box thinking and using items in a way that doesnt seem completely obvious at first and in interesting combinations often is a lot more effective than using it in the most obvious way.
Literally most of the item makers are REALLY good at build making and we all know how to break items/the system well. Think about the reason why Achilles has -96 raw water def for a second lol.
We know how the system and players work because we are primarily players ourselves. And we design our items without ever having builds in mind. I never made an item for a specific purpose ever lol (also you do realise that if we gave every item a specific purpose that would actually be in favour of your opion because it would be meta desgning right?).

 

Er creativity is good, but why not be creative and at the same time have things that are better than others? It seems as if every good/slightly op mythic or build that is even slightly meta has been either completely changed around such as gaia (Gaia was op, but you could of at least just nerfed the dmg, and still left it as a good spell dmg weapon instead of entirely changing it up and leaving it as an alright melee weapon (Mythic wise, obviously its much better than legendaries in the same category) but mythic wise it, and many others that were good, as they should be considering rarity and how much they cost, were pretty much nerfed a lot. I don’t think you understand what im saying. I have talked to quite a few other relatively experienced players who I know are knowledgeable with builds that have a similiar opinion.

 

But we already have items that are meant to stand a bit above the rest. Hive items... LI items... Orange Wybel items... Some of the late game dungeon items... Those are the items that are sort of meant to stand out. And this isn't even counting Mythics. Some of those items can be pretty comparable to Mythics.

Also in case you didn't know, Hive weapons got a damage buff as well.

 

Since perfect balance cant and wont be achieved (its not even our goal) you already got that lol. Just not a FUCKTON better than everything else.

hmmm funny enough...most builds that got nerfed used hive/rainbow slap. Everything else pretty much stayed the same (i do not have to elaborate on why rainbow slap and multi hive got nerfed/removed right...?)

Mythics are ENTIRElY different from any other item in game because they are literally supposed to have a very strong personality. A lot of the previous designs didnt achieve that. You cant even hope to compare mythics to normal items. So lets just leave those out for this complaint please. They are an entirely different category since they are supposed to have their insane personality.

Overall i am pretty sure we actually buffed most mythics lol (since the creation ofthe team i mean). Its just that you guys enjoy forgetting all buffs that happen.

Not sure if i do. The view of an item balancer and a build maker are entirely different and right now i am speaking as an item maker (and i ll continue to do so). An item maker makes the items and hopes to balance them and the build maker breaks those items.

 

And so, thousands of builds died in agony during Guild Wars...

 

Im too lazy to try to explain my point more as I dont’t think it is possible for you to really understand it due to to use both having different perspectives. I’ve owned every mythic in the game more than once each, and made countless builds in the past. Ive either used or known of pretty much every meta/OP build in the past couple years. From my perspective and my opinion, too many pointless nerfs/changes have happened to a lot of builds in the past few months. I understand some things have been buffed (In the Mythic revamp type update a few were nerfed and some buffed, I acknowledge that).

This ^, clearly I’m not the only one with this opinion, and I assure you the many others who have a similiar opinion don’t simply “Enjoy forgetting all buffs that happen”.

Thats all I have to say, don’t really feel like trying to explain furthur, maybe someone else can.