Guide Old Mythic Prices - Know If You Got Gipped Or Not V2 - 30k ♥

Take a second look at that attack speed. If a weapon’s attack speed didn’t effect it’s damage output then everyone would be trashing their Idols and grabbing Infidels.

 

Slower attack speeds are benefitted more by + tier attack speed. On top of that slower attack speeds also pierce elemental defence better.

Besides that, Guardians damage isn't good no matter how you look at it so Apocalypse wins in that department guaranteed.

 

Health regeneration is not useless in combat, regeneration doesn’t go away just because you started fighting and lifesteel does almost nothing unless you hit a large group of enemies which is easier with something other than a super slow attack speed weapon. Regeneration also has the added benefit of having other items that can boost the stat further like Phoenix Prince’s Crown, Hetusol, and Nether Scar. A decent build can easily push you over 20k hp and 4k hp regeneration and I would rather regenerate a fifth of my health quickly whithout having to fight rather than maybe get some hp out of hitting something 2-3 times.

 

Slow to normal attack speed is +.7 hits per second, super slow to slow attack speed is +.19 hits per second. If you need to pierce an elemental defense you should just use spells instead except Apoc is useless for spells. If you arn’t trying to cast spells and instead try to tank everything Apoc goes against everything by having the worst attack speed for a lifesteal weapon and has at minimum -87% health regen. And again, Guardian has a higher dps than Apoc (Guardian 1,048 dps, Apoc 659 dps)

Edit: I realized what you mean with the benefit from the attack speed buff but there are options other than Apoc that result in a better dps build since you don't have to stretch your skill points as far. And if you just really want that life steal try using Proxima and Drain which does rainbow damage and doesn't cost several stacks of LE.

 

Guardian is great if you convert it's tankiness into damage
due to its +hp you can use things like fire sanc/conflag for some nice fire damage like you can with ignis such as here https://wynndata.tk/s/G4T0jQ but that's usually with a spell build like that one so ye ignition and apoc are better in terms of overall for melee typically due to ls

 

Elemental defence is multiplied in spells though. Also Guardian having more dps on its own says nothing. The power of super slow weapons is that their dps is super easy to increase. And you're saying super slow attack speed is bad for life steal? Lower attack speeds are universally regarded as being the best for life steal.

 

can everyone stop arguing about guardian v apoc
we get it Guardian does more damage than apoc
but apoc is better because it makes you unkillable
can we just stop arguing over this 7 now 8 month old post

 

this is false

this is also false

 

doesn’t matter all that i want is for this shit to stop

Guardian <<< apoc we get it

 

You can always ignore it, because people will still argue

 

Ignition <<< Guardian <<< apoc

 

tbh apoc>guardian, but there's a lot of stuff i disagree with besides that.

people are saying guardian is bad, it's not, it reaches alright damage (13k ish) while retaining good tankiness (https://wynndata.tk/s/o8RfEr is my best imitation of a guardian spell build with hive spear. it reaches same damage but 3k less hp and much worse ele def compared to @Shots build). personally, i don't really like guardian because of the way it plays and the way it works (safer hive spear), but from an objective standpoint, it's a decent spear.

people are saying guardian is good because you can reach 20k hp and 4k hpr or whatever - that's not the point of guardian. there's no point in getting hpr for conventional reasons when you have no vanish and no agi. additionally, having 20k hp 120+ def is overkill and there's no need to do that, so it can't really be talked about as a strength for gurdian.

someone said something about hpr not being useless in fights. i've already addressed this, but i'll elaborate further. in order to activate HPR, you have to not get hit. with no agi, you have to essentially just keep dodging to activate hpr. so, you can either take no damage to activate hpr and regenerate hp you never loss, or take damage and not activate hpr. either way, you're not optimizing on a stat. besides, you really shouldn't be taking that much damage in the first place. 200ls from conflagrate is enough to cover any hp loss, so hpr is rather useless aside from covering -hpr armor.

 

5-35/40 stacks? idk tell me if im dead wrong thanks

 

i thought arch could go up to 2 stax?

 

Disco is 5-20 for decent ones. However... 30 stx is for a really good one... Knightee sold a 198 for 25 oof.

 

i want a divzer. disco is bad.

 

no u

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People are willing to pay more because Arch is kewl.

 

nay thee

 

First off, Guardian is tanky and all but lets be real here, its shit if you put an apoc next to it, apoc can have upto 500 LS, that with high attack speed heck even normal is good enough, slap a centipede on it boom slow attack speed, breezhands or something else (burnout, accelerator, chestplate of ineptitude physalis etc) and you have normal attack speed, health regen on guardian is 715 max but for wars or bosses with minions you can actually tank all the damage and get shit done instead of spending 30 minutes trying to kill a boss and maybe even failing, LS with just 2 mobs around gets doubled and lets be real here, if you were to fight cybel and hit all the pressure plates your basically over, you won. plus apoc is WAY cheaper than a guardian with high hp regen, i hope it stays that way, and most of the time for hard bosses or wars there are gonna be multiple mobs so trying to say guardian is better in every situation is stupid, fighting a single mob itself apoc has a advantage just asmuch as guardian, LS can make you unkillable while guardian just makes you have more health, ok damage, and high resistance while apoc does basically the same thing just no extra HP regen or HP but more than makes up for it with life steal so IMO apoc is way better than guardian, by a MILE. fite me if u disagree. 1v1 minecraft pvp spleef.

 

Totally agree. 2v1 us in spleef if you think gurdian is better than apoc oof.