SPOILER My Theory About Dern, The Ancients, And The Eye, With A Timeline

They sealed it in the Silent Expanse. Some miners found it and their leader hid the crystals across the land.

The beast didn't wanted to destroy the whole province, it wants to control it.

"The humans yet hope, the Olm do not. And so we could claim their lands."
- The Beast

We also have the "Fate of the Olm" discovery, wich tells about the story about an Olm who discovered a way to beat the beast with a bracelet, "Anya's Penumbra". Maybe you can think about something with this?

 

The Olm (what's the singular for Olm?) discovered a way to beat the beast with a bracelet? Deadass? That's kinda big
Also, yeah they sealed the crystals in the Silent Expanse, but what about the ones in Almuj, Twain Lake, Volcanic Islands, and the Troms one? I assumed those are also crystals of its power yeah?

 

The crystals in the Silent Expanse were found by a group of miners who hid they across the land. Anya discovered that you need to understand both light and darkness to defeat it, but that's just jus lore of the bracelet Anya's Penumbra.

 

Spoiler: A big explanation

I'm near certain that the Olm are not from Dern, they are Wynn's original inhabitants. They lived at least 1000 years before the Portal opened.

Take a look at the AHC NPC at the portal. Does it look familiar?

Does anyone remember the Heliolux?

The creature at the portal looks near identical to a Heliolux, just a dark version of one. Taking note that The Realm of Light has no other ruling species, it is very possible that the dark Helioluxes are the only intelligent species in Dern.

Olm are like a Dern version of the elves. They possess great magical powers connected to the nearby realm, but they are not creatures of the realm.

Why would the Olm build their refuge so close to the SE, and make it so detailed and grand if they wanted to run?

In my opinion the Olm always lived in the SE, but when Dern attacked/turned against them they ran.

The attack of Dern might have been because the Olm constructed the WynnEx crystals, being strong enough to possibly oppose Dern. The Dern Beast might have cursed the crystals, causing the Olm to go insane.

The time valley was a second home, a refuge to the Olm, and it wasn't nearly as big and great as the original city. Later, the Dern beast reached Time Valley, and the Olm ran to Dernel Jungle, where they met their end by turning against each other because of the crystals and The Eye's gaze.

And now we come to an interesting part.

The Olm wanted to hide the crystals around the world, but why did they all end up back in SE, where the human miners found them in 800BP?

The Olm lost. The Dern beast took the crystals back.

What the beast didn't know though is that some Olm escaped, the ancestors of Bob. But that isn't important now.

After the humans found the crystals, THEY hid them across the world at 800BP.

Later the humans found EO, and the SE was turned into the dark lands they are now. The Dern Beast sealed the gateway to SE, possibly because it saw the humans as a threat, as they took the crystals away.

WynnExcavation doesn't know about the Eye or SE, they only knew about the crystals. Amadel probably didn't even know he would get corrupted when he used them.

I wouldn't do endgame theories at level 56, but this one was better than I expected, while it still had some noticeable inconsistencies. Great job anyway

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The corruption is the combination of Light and Darkness. It's possible that RoL and Dern had a big war millenias ago at the current location of the Nether Portal. It is also probably the location where they first met.

Decay is caused by the Succuro parasites in Orphion, born from the greed of the villagers.

I wrote this all on mobile so there might be a lot of typos

 

WynnExcavation doesn't know about the Eye?

 

It isn't ever said so. They are a massive society, owned by the people of Gavel with the highest power. They control all leaders and try to take over Wynn from the shadows. In AHC, when you help Amadel, that's exactly what happens. They don't destroy anything.

I'm assuming that because of this Amadel probably absorbed the crystals to stop the player, he didn't intend to get corrupted, which leads to the conclusion that WynnExcavation doesn't know about their true power or Dern.

EDIT: The fact that they use the power of the crystals doesn't mean that they worship The Eye. The fact that the final crystal is found in Dernel with the ancient Olm signs only means that the Olm lived there once. WynnEx only wants supreme control over all. If my other theory is correct, the crystals are also made by the Olm.

 

Key word is settled.
Humans originate from Fruma.

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Keep in mind, most no one is supposed to know about the Eye. Bob discovered it by mistake, and specifically wanted to keep it very very secret.

Plus, of course, all of this is inspired by Lovecraft, you can assume that almost know one knows about it, and everyone who does has either died, or gone nuts (Which remains true, besides the player)

 

As Jaydon already said, settled. The origins of the human race come from Fruma.

why is this the second time that I have to explain this within the last week

 

In WynnEx Site C, a excavator mentions the Eye like an omnipotent being, while yes, this is heavily ambiguous, but with all the Eye-themed hinting seen in the WynnEx questline, it might mean something.

 

If it does mean something, there are two possibilities:

1. Amadel and WynnEx work for The Dern Beast, which is possible, but not likely, because in the AHC Amadel ending nothing is destroyed, Wynn is silently taken over. He does say "I WILL DESTROY ALL LIFE", but that is when the crystals have reached their full power in his body. If The Dern Beast wants the crystals, Amadel might not have used them. In this case he also would have known about the corruptive power of them.

2. They keep The Eye as a symbol for their corporation. I assume that this may be the case, as WynnExcavation's plan is only to control the leaders and elite of all provinces.

 

If that is the case, so does that mean they are aware of the Eye's existence or simply discovered of it from the Olm's messages and adopted it as a mascot which they don't actually believe in?

 

I do not know that.

They might think it existed but is now gone, and keep it as a mascot, but if they are sure of its existence from the Olm messages, they might "work" for it without the Eye knowing, but seeing as the Eye is the "Overseer of Wynn" and has probably followed the player's journey, it most likely knows of WynnExcavation's operation in every case.

WynnExcavation may had been be "preparing" Wynn for an attack of Dern, and they might had planned to break the seal at SE with the crystals.

 

I think that the dernic beast may have it's own ways to travel between realms, and has shut itself up in dern since the corruption began. The portal then became the only way to travel there, and possibly a new way. The beast must not have wanted anyone else in dern, which is why he set the eye over the entrance to the portal, thus sealing it away from olmic reach.


As for your wynnexcavation theory, is there any evidence that they even existed at this time? The olm may have actually been the ones to write the signs, and the newer ones are written by WE.

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With what I just said in mind, maybe this is when the dernic beast leaves wynn, and leaves his eye behind. In the ultimate discovery in SE, the creature says something about going to a faraway place, and leaving his eye behind to guard.
Also mind control doesn't seem like wynn. Maybe the corruption got to the villagers.

 

Hey guys. The Olm actually definitely had contact with humans:

The strange man with pale grey skin is undeniably one of the Olm.

So, yeah. I guess the whole Olm execution is much more recent than we thought.

But also, I've kind of given up on trying to piece together a timeline. I think what's known is already as much as we CAN know, and everything else is just speculation. Making a thread like this can help us piece together things we missed (like emolga missing WynnExcavation knowing about the Eye).

The Wynncraft Content Team most definitely doesn't have a timeline, so there's no way we will be able to create a comprehensive one. The Olm is both "an ancient species, now extinct" but also somehow existing somewhat recently? It's possible some of the Olm survived the mass extinction, but that's still just speculation. There's no way we can make a comprehensive timeline on mostly speculation.

I messaged a CT member recently, and they said they didn't have any REAL plans on lore or a timeline or anything. They just used keywords like the realm of dern, the eye, the olm, and pieced it all together into a fragile web of lore that the more flashy elements of Wynncraft - the discoveries, the boss fights, and the builds, can rest on. There's no actual "foundation", no real story behind everything in Wynncraft. All of the secrets we've found that support any kind of lore are just little easter eggs.

So, yeah. It's still possible that a Content Team member reads this, and they eventually make something like the libraries of Ragni and Lusoco, documenting the full story of the Olm. But the nature of these pieces of lore, the fact that the Dernic Beast's Eye is so goddamn world-endingly powerful, I feel like they're not going to reveal everything to us. Secrets have to be kept to keep Wynncraft interesting. They might reveal the real fate of the olm, but I doubt (and REALLY hope not) that we're going to fight THE dernic beast. If the story of the Dernic Beast is let out in the open, they would have to find some bit of lore even more elusive and captivating for us to get hooked on. But I really don't think there's anything else. I doubt there are any entities more powerful than the Dernic Beast.

So yeah. No point making a timeline. We can speculate, though, but it won't actually lead anywhere.

 

Maybe if we create a good (and preferably full) timeline the CT might use it and add more to it without breaking it

 

Like, look at this. Is there any actual story behind any of this?

The Realm of Shadows is Dern. He who started the war is the Dernic Beast, who lead the Corruption in an attempt to "spread his will".
Apparently he's trapped in Dern? Is that why he sent the Eye instead of going to the Silent Expanse / Wynn himself? Did the Olm trap him in Dern?
Where's the weak point between Realms? It's not the Portal to Darkness, is it?
And obviously, when he rises, that's the end of Wynn as we know it.

There's just too much content and it all vaguely references the same thing without feeding into the same storyline at all.

 

also idfk what this is about.

I think the servant is Bak'al, though I don't know when this quest was updated, if it was updated before the 1.19 Silent Expanse update then maybe it's referring to something else.
The land of trade is Gavel, I guess. Corrupt the world with seeds of pain might refer to the decay or something? I don't know

 

I don't think there is much confusion here...
Through the sealed letters that he sent to Nilrem, Bob explains that he is going to "seal a dark beast in a land far away". This far away land is Dern, and the beast is the Dernic Beast (AKA Orphion's counterpart). The fact that we find the beginning of the letter in Gateway Island, which has a portal to Dern, supports this.
Bob, who is part Olm as was already said, sacrificed himself to seal the Dernic Beast inside Dern. As you said, it's why he had Bak'al place the Eye atop the Eldritch Outlook.
The "weak points between realms" is likely either Caritat Mansion, which was built atop the decay, or the Nether Portal in Wynn.

The "land of trade" isn't only Gavel, it's (likely) the entire mortal world, which includes Wynn, Corkus, Fruma and Gavel. It's only referred to as "the land of trade" because they needed to make "THE SERVANT LAID" rhyme with something.

 

Oh, I see. There's definitely comprehensive parts that I'm missing because I'm so low level, but my reply above those two still stands. Also, thanks for clarifying all of this.

 

Hmm.... you bring up some good points, but what are actually saying here?
As I said, you have some believable (and not so believable) arguments, but where are you going with this? I'm not getting a sense of direction. It seems to me like you've given us evidence (some of it good, some of it really bad ngl), but not the theory.

And also, I think the sign with the four letter word does matter, and that it is time. Why? Because of the discovery in Time Valley.
Can I just say well done for writing this at lvl 56. For someone at that level, you're actually an alright theorist (from me, that's worryingly high praise).

Happy theorising!