Art my lari design ^_^

very nice!

 

I do agree with the initial comment that the proportions are a bit more "masculine"... But I don't think that's the fault of the anatomy of the design, I think, generally, women portraits are designed way more slim than actual anatomy. Think of barbie or anime designs of women.

I've seen tiktoks where they redraw female characters into actual anatomical proportions and its obvious women are always drawn in an unreal way. Which is why I don't think bringing up the anotomy in the design is weird at all, if women's proportions are always done unrealistically in mainstream media...

One of my favorite tools in photoshop is the liquify tool. If you used it to make it more cartoonish, it would give you a more "feminine" shape if you wanted to see what others means...

About the comments pointing its weird to point that out, I don't think it's weird at all. It's not weird because Lari is interpreted more as a damsel in distress. it might be a stereotype, but you can't ignore people's perspectives, and also how other artists have made art of Lari. And I don't think its wrong to clinge to stereotypes if you don't have some kind of art knowledge to even express what you want to say. I think it's both sides of the coin. The artist being content with their art, but it's important as an artist to think how will it be perceived.

What I thought was weird was someone bringing up "butch" women when that's often a slur for lesbians. And while I don't mind lesbian representation, that was not mentioned as the intention of this art, and Lari is not of that sexual orientation, nor was this art made to make her more "male presenting". So, if assumed the intentions of this art was a more realistic drawing of Lari, these comments seem out of place. But, perhaps, you could have made some small changes to befit the more realistic anatomy, so the mix of artsyles didn't give this kind of mixed-negative impact.

Either way, it looks to me very well executed art-wise, other than the head being a bit small. Though, I will say, In Korea small heads are very popular, so why not? I'm not against different art styles, but I think it's important to always wager what will the audience you present this will think.

My suggestion is, if you will experiment with different proportions, whether realistic or not, draw someone else for comparison. For example, if you had drawn Dullahan on her side, then people would have had a better idea of your proportions, then there would be a point of comparison people would be able to associate "masculine" with Dullahan, making Lari look more in place. So, in my opinion, if you drew him, nobody would have pointed at all at Laris "figure". But, because your art style is so unique, there was no reference point, and thus, it's easy to say her proportions are weird. I see you've drawn Lari and Dullahan together in your previous threads, but not with this art-style.

This is my way of meeting middle ground, since rather than taking public opinion to change your art style, I want you to build up on your art and embrace it. And really small tweaks might get you there!

 

I cannot find evidence of it being a slur. Sure, someone could use it offensively, but it originates from lesbians and is used by lesbians to described lesbians. Really bizarre to try to take a word of pride and say it is "weird" for me to say "I love butch women".

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1) Who says you need to be lesbian to be butch, that's like saying someone needs to be gay to be a twink
2) Please do not tell me you think Lari and Dullahan are a thing and that's the "evidence". They are not. They are friends.

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Honestly I'm just... befuddled??

this is just completely wrong ??? She is not portrayed as a "damsel in distress" in ANY official media?? And I can tell you that she is not meant to be a "damsel in distress" either

 

I do not personally know you, so there was no way to tell from what kind of place the word was coming from, but that really wasn't the point I was trying to make. So no intentions in trying to hurt your pride. But yeah, historically it was a word used as a slur that has been reinvindicated by the lesbian community. Similar to the F word by the gay community.

While the word wasn't used as a slur--now that you've clarified yourself--the point I was making is that it was weird to take out of context what the intentions the artist might have just because someone else in this thread gave feedback that can be perceived as "negative". It just seemed to me uncalled for that because someone says she looks masculine--talking about the proportions-- then you appear and say masculine women are hot--talking about an entirely different narrative. Ultimately, then the artist has to clarify she simply went for anatomical female proportions, so it just seemed odd to insert the characters sexuality into the conversation, since the artist didn't even try to make her look masculine at all.

I didn't say Dullahan and Lari are a "thing". I said having any masculine character next to Lari would help with how the proportions of her drawing were perceived by having a point of comparison, and also insert into the conversation how unrealistic female proportions are in general of an issue of mainstream culture, as an explanation for why there was this perception in the first place.It was after looking at the other art threads she has posted, that I saw she had posts of Lari and Dullahan together, so I suggested this specifically as an opportunity to this artist, not that I was trying to generalize all artwork of Lari has to be with Dullahan.

In regards to wether Lari is a Damsel in Distress or not, the point of my comment wasn't really to delve into her archetype at all or initiate a conversation to counterargue why she may or may not be that archetype. The intention was just to simply explain why some people would perceive Lari as more feminine through the use of archetypes/tropes. My possible explanation came from the fact The Player-- the Hero of Wynncraft--helps Lari during the LightRoot quests and she doesn't appreciates our help despite saving her from her predicament of not being able to kill.

I think you failed to notice none of these are my personal perceptions, just me pointing out possible explanations for why others perceive the art a certain way and how to take in that perception from the community to improve the art. I guess I could have done a better job at explaining myself, so I get to clarify now. There was no political or ideological intent, simply just what artists have to confront when trying to appeal to others... The artists' previous art threads have had good reception and this one seemed to turn into the sexualization of the character rather than enjoying the artwork, so the goal of my post was to give feedback on how to avoid this kind of perception for future art the artist decides to post.

 

I was ASKED IF I LIKED MASCULINE WOMEN, to which I responded YES. Me saying "I love my butch women" ISNT EVEN ME CALLING LARI BUTCH??? Look at the context! It's right there, in this thread !!

It was not "reinvented." The word originated from blue-collared lesbian women during WW2. It was made by muscular lesbians working in factories, for lesbians, and was used by lesbians.
Go ahead and look it up. Go ahead and read Wikipedia, too; under the history section there is zero mention of it being used derogatorily. Maybe you're thinking of another word that starts with D, which was historically (and still kind of is) used as a pejorative for lesbian women.

I'm not some expert in queer history & the word "butch", you can literally get this information from a 10 minute search & read of a few webpages. I don't understand why you wouldn't go out of your way to at least fact check what you're saying— especially before doubling down on it.

I am one of Wynncraft's lore writers. She was not written to be a damsel in distress, and she is not a damsel in distress. She refuses help because she's stubbornly attempting to stick to a method that has succeeded everywhere but The Decay. She isn't some young, helpless woman in need of some male hero to save her, she's perfectly competent, she's just too headstrong on the idea she can do things the same, non-violent way; she isn't willing to admit that not every conflict can be resolved peacefully.

there ain't nothing political about women not confirming to western gender roles, nor about women liking women.

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This is a huge boowomp. Nobody was sexualizing the art. You say the things you're spewing are somehow objective but you don't seem to do even cursory research about something as simple to find the answer to as whether 'butch' was ever recognized as a slur.
There was zero reason to double down.

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I didn't even CALL BUTCH WOMEN HOT I just said I LOVE THEM. God FORBID I be a fan of character designs!!!! I love evil and monstrous beasts!! Is me saying that somehow also sexualization???

LOOK AT IT!! look at the context!! I was asked a question of whether I liked masculine women and I answered it!!!! There is not so much as a TRACE of me sexualizing this piece of art!!


I feel like I'm in some kind of fucked up sitcom or something!

 

Good art
God I hate discourse