Mana/life Steal Scaling Question.

trex1611 · Feb 5, 2019

As far as I know a melee hit from a Super Slow weapon will always proc it, while a hit from a Super Fast only has a 5.8% chance.

Is there a more detailed list of proc chances?

Druser · Feb 5, 2019

Yes, but Super Slow is more like 70% chance. You can take the hits per second of each attack speed and multiply by 4 to get a close number.

NicBOMB · Feb 5, 2019

trex1611 said: ↑

As far as I know a melee hit from a Super Slow weapon will always proc it, while a hit from a Super Fast only has a 5.8% chance.

Is there a more detailed list of proc chances?
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Druser said: ↑

Yes, but Super Slow is more like 70% chance. You can take the hits per second of each attack speed and multiply by 4 to get a close number.
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I have looked at life and mana steal extensively and here's what I know:
I first saw this post here:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/life-steal-mana-steal.217520/#post-2630711
Then life steal came up again and Selvut responded:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/item-questions.223760/
So I went back and looked for the post that Selvut mentioned with Salted:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/how-does-life-mana-steal-work.190740/#post-2288564
That's all the information I have on Life Steal and Mana Steal.
Here's my opinion on the system:

NicBOMB said: ↑

Personally, I don't see why a stat should base its activation on chance when it's dealing with combat. Mana Steal and Life Steal are beyond difficult to effectively use on archer because the chance of it activating combined with the chance of missing is often too great. Personally, I think stealing should activate on spell damage AND melee instead. Hitting is already hard enough for archers when mobs are charging, teleporting, vanishing, or moving fast, but then to make a stat that's supposed to be used on the enemy potentially not even activate when it's needed most (at low health or low mana) is just stoopid. It's punishing for all the wrong reasons. And don't even get me started on making the chances 'balanced' by calculating hits per second with attack speed. It fails to take into account speed of the arrow, server lag, missing, enemy movement, and undermines the point of the stat IMO. If you aren't activating the stat, then it's not happening every 4 seconds, and you're just using the /4 tooltip to justify making it based on chance. Too many problems. Mana regen is straightforward and net the player x amount of Mana. Healing potions are straight forward and net the player x amount of HP. Life Steal only works on warriors because melee has AOE.
@SeeksarianZxSery Enters the fray.
Just as I'm getting to AOE too. Nice segway. I shouldn't have to use powder specials to take advantage of my stats. Examples: I don't have to use mana regen to effectively gain mana from regen. I don't have to use earth dam% to even get the effects of the stat. Just shoot a bomb arrow. You use mana and get it back from regen while increasing your damage from the earth%. Nowhere was I required to get the effects of either from a powder special. In fact, Curse and Courage simply improve damage; neither would improve the ability to gain HP. Powder specials are extra, and as such, shouldn't be required to make a build. My mythic freedom build didn't need curse, and on many of the bosses I only used curse once or twice to get a burst of extra damage. I don't want to center my build around quake or chain, but I do want Life Steal as a primary stat. That doesn't work right now. I want it to change. It's an opinion. The fact is, the current system forces players to use health pots; to which I said:
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Shots · Feb 5, 2019

NicBOMB said: ↑

I have looked at life and mana steal extensively and here's what I know:
I first saw this post here:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/life-steal-mana-steal.217520/#post-2630711
Then life steal came up again and Selvut responded:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/item-questions.223760/
So I went back and looked for the post that Selvut mentioned with Salted:
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/how-does-life-mana-steal-work.190740/#post-2288564
That's all the information I have on Life Steal and Mana Steal.
Here's my opinion on the system:
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Lifesteal and mana steal used to proc for spells, and it was beyond broken. It allowed for you to basically full heal (hp and mana) with no consequences whatsoever.

NicBOMB · Feb 5, 2019

TikTok said: ↑

Lifesteal and mana steal used to proc for spells, and it was beyond broken. It allowed for you to basically full heal (hp and mana) with no consequences whatsoever.
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Exactly my problem with the current system. Rather than fix the actual chance mechanic, the IM raised the LS and MS of item dramatically to compensate the change and make the stats semi-usable. ofc I don't want unkillable steal spam, but there needs to be more thought put into stealing mechanics. Even just the activating like poison instead of at random would be more consistent and balanced than what we have now.

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