Li Items Changes

Alright so lets start with the part about the hive items. The reasons why the hive items are currently all quite a bit stronger than any other gear is because you arent supposed to use more than one of them per class. This was also said several times. Personally i hope we ll find a solution for that at some point (should we end up finding one the crying will be real lol).
As for the wybel weapons.. while they may be handy they all also have some annoying downsides and thus arent part of the "HOLY FUCK THIS IS OPAF I NEED TO NERF IT RIGHT NOW" tier. There are plenty of other endgame options that are similar in strength so there is no reason to pick them if another item fits your build better.
Finally the Li items. Accessories are a bit weird honestly. Their buffs dont change much with level progression and you can even use some super low level accessories at endgame simply because they match your build and your build well.
For example: The level 28 unique ring Barrage gives base 3 dex points and base 7% thunder dmg. Thats 9% thunder damage at max and it has a dex req of 10. From endgame perspective your reaction to this might be "WTF HOLY FUCK TOO STRONG PLZ NERF" and yes that was my reaction as well when i joined the team. HOWEVER we need to definitely also consider balance for at level. For at that level the %thunder damage actually doesnt cause a balancing issue because its impact is relative to the base damage of your weapon and not an absolute one. This is why imo %damages are actually kinda an ehhhh thing. They sort off? cant change much with level progression because the base damage on weapons changes as well and thus the %damages need to stay rather similar throughout the levels. This might not be too much of an issue on armour because of the amt of other ids on it including health. On accessories however this looks very different since they dont have that many ids nor very impactful health.
Oki so to come to the point and quit the rambling... there are a lot of low level items that you can choose over LI stuff because while the Li stuff has stronger IDs the requirements are also MUCH higher. The only case in which you almost definitely use LI stuff is with Mythics and even then usually not all 4slots.

 

Awsomeman12345,

I agree with you to an extent. Subjectively, that's the reason I dislike mana steal. I'm an archer and meleeing just isn't good right now. That being said, melee is fine for other 3 classes, therefore, it's not steal that's an issue, it's a mechanic's fault. It's also something we wish to change because it's creating issues for us in terms of balancing. That's regarding melee when it comes to classes.

The RNG part of the post, I don't necessarily agree of disagree with, as what you said isn't incorrect, but more in a sense that RNG is a perfectly fine mechanic for an RPG as long as it's not too random. It's only strange in Wynncrafts sense because not many IDs are actually RNG based. I also prefer regen over steal for the exact same reason, but that doesn't mean steal isn't usable or shouldn't be used.

Furthermore, people were never supposed to use 2 moon pools per class. What's preventing them? Nothing for now, but that could change, and if it does, hydro ring is going to be the best option for a spell build.

Hey, and don't worry about "easily countered" part. We are not here to spite you or anything you say. We are here to collect feedback and discuss what you guys say.

 

Could you possibly explain? We're looking for community feedback and highly value it, so any feedback that's specific is amazingly helpful.

Thanks!

 

I mean theres only of couple of them that most of us use, all the other ones are not worth the tokens and theres better items

 

Glamazon_

At this point you aren't even trying to provide feedback. You are being rude for the sake of it. You made 2 posts, indirectly said we are terrible, provided 0 reasons as to why and you decide to mock us. I am not sure why are you rude to us. Maybe we did something you disprove of, which we would really like to know. Maybe you are having real life stuff so you need to take it out on someone. If that's the case, you can go on my profile and insult me as much as you want. We can try talking if that would brighten your day. If not, I would kindly ask you not to post here unless you have an actual feedback. Right now, you are breaking forum rules, and I really don't want to report you if we can settle things without that.

Regardless of everything, I wish you a nice rest of your day.

 

It also doesn't help that many mana steal items (The Parasite, Staccato, Black, Lunar Spine, Petrified Horror, ETC.) have -mana regen, or require intellegence (Capricorn, Anamnesis, Prognosticum), which means that most of the time it's harder to use them in a 1v1 situation or are just not worth using over mana regen. Meanwhile, most major mana regen items (Brainwash, Memento, Aquarius, Crystal, Geyser) lack -mana steal, which means that the net amount of mana recovery on those items is generally higher

 

I will translate what @T-Flex was saying into something you'd be more likely to respond to: Quit shitting on the Item Team then saying there are problems and not addressing which ones you are thinking of, and writing a second post further shitting on the Item Team. There are lots of changes that could very well improve the game, but you aren't providing feedback and being an ass simultaneously.

Onto my thoughts: Honestly I don't see too many glaring/game breaking issues excluding multi-hive. Mana stealing for archers is worse than all the other classes due to arrows only hitting one target, something that should be changed IMO, but I can't think of a fix myself (last minute addition: maybe arrow penetration of targets depending on attack tier? example: super slow penetrates up to 6 targtets, very slow pens 5, slow pens 4, ... super fast pens 0).

 

Maybe Arrows tracking targets with varied tracking strength based on attack tier, IE: super slow will track the best and super fast will track the least. Sort of like they're being guided by magic (logical lore explanation)

 

I've deleted unhelpful replies from this thread. Please keep on topic and don't attack people without reason.

 

I only have 2 mins to write this, so I'm not gonna quote anyone.
Yes, I know that hive items are supposed to be 1 set per class. They aren't like that atm.
Yes, I know there are alternatives to LI items, but LI items are generally the strongest in their fields.
I know that wybel items aren't SUPER OP, but I am stating that they are a little above the rest.
I was complaining that to get the best items in a particular field, you had to master a field to get there.

Sorry if I pissed a few people off, I was just sharing my opinion.
time's up
thxbai

 

Honestly, it seems more like people are just confused about what you said, rather than pissed off

 

I assume it could potentially work. Problem on our part regarding suggesting mechanics is that we don't know what they can code and what would Salted like. So we will have to discuss it with him first.

Thega,

you didn't piss anyone off. We were just unsure what you were trying to say. Don't worry about sharing your opinion, that's the exact reason why we are here.

 

All changes are fine by me and help the game to a certain extent especially in the aspect of bettering some of the items when compared to their "replacements". Only real issue that I have is the -heath/health regen for diamond static. Especially when a black ring or a barrage can be suitable replacements without the high SP requirement needed to equip it and without having to go through a boss rush in order to obtain it. All while only sacrificing a percent or two of thunder damage.