Judging Mythics At 2 Am Cuz I Can

Literally everyone is making threads about mythics now...

 

divzer is overrated trash, the only reason its 20 stx is because theres no competition, i mean, you got az but a lvl 74 bow is not competing against a lvl 97 mythic. They tried to make it different from other thunder weapons by making it have no damage range, but with thunder powders, this wont go too far.

 

Wow, people who say Divzer is overrated trash obviously don't know how to play it or why it is good. I agree its too expensive, but the damage it deals is very good in comparison to most archer mythics. The only reason its said to be trash is because Grandmother rn is obviously overpowered. I mean, really? An earth melee bow that deals up to 20k bombs while still being not even close to "squishy"?

Divzer is a really good bow imo, I just don't get why ppl hate it that much. What they need to fix is lifesteal and manasteal not working on faster weapons, then Div will be a top tier bow. imo the should decrease the dex requirement though, 125 is a bit too high if you consider cata only needs 115 for the same results.

 

1. It does work but since it procs every 4 ish seconds ~1/16 melees it'll proc for a superfast since it hits 4 times a second
2. The reason it's hated is because archer is already glassy. If we take into account that when you hold divzer out you have no agility, it's even glassier The only self sustain it has is it's lifesteal/manasteal like you implied, which as said before is pretty useless since it's archer melee/chain at superfast

 

No, on superfast weapons, it doesnt work. You might be very lucky and get the lifesteal to proc one or 2 times in a row with that 4 second cooldown, but most of the time, it doesn't. It will take you up to 6 or even more seconds for the next lifesteal to proc.

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Additionally people who use divzer like that, holding it the entire time, are just stupid or really trust in their reflexes to dodge a spell. Most of the time you won't be holding divzer so you have some agility blocking incomming spells. Then you switch to divzer, damage the enemy, and switch back. Divzer requires actual skill to use, not like many other weapons. Its the same like Warp. Holding it the entire time is not the optimal choice. For better results, you always need a secondary weapon which should also give you some more mana regen or agility or walkspeed.
Switch to divzer, use arrow shield (most bosses have knockback resistance), and when they are blind, give them a good load of arrow storm in the face. That should be enough to weaken every boss to half or 2/3 of their total hp. Just watch out for spells. If the boss uses a spell, switch to secondary and escape (maybe use another arrow shield before that so the enemy is blind).
Do that and you got yourself a weapon that can easily rush through most floors of LI.

Its about them spells. Lesser mobs will be onehit with one bomb arrow most of the time, so they are no real challenge. And you now know how to deal with bosses. Just watch for spells. If you get hit by a charge with divzer in your hand, its pretty much over. But if you can manage to use it properly, it rewards you with very high damage.

 

I think the main problem with life steal and fast attack speeds is that it requires a consistent stream of attacks to use it to the fullest extent, whereas you can just swoop in and maybe get a couple of heals with slower attack speeds, even if the steal rate is the same.

 

And this is why I'm convinced people don't read the message in full oof

So yes
It does work
Just it procs very rarely as I explained myself

You literally said what I said except much more in depth

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That's pretty much every mythic bow outside of Az but you don't have to use a secondary

Again that's pretty much every mythic bow except when you're holding them you most likely won't die if you have your bow in hand in most scenarios

 

*grabs popcorn*

 

No, you didnt say so, you said it proces every 4ish seconds. 4 seconds is 4 seconds, no matter how much you shoot. So if I shoot (and sometimes it wont even proc on the first hit), then use bombs and shoot again after 5 seconds, it should proc, which it does not most of the time.

Stop making up things, you can use Spring, Ignis, etc. without any secondary weapon because they have no huge drawbacks. If you say every mythic bow needs a secondary to make up for something, thats just straight up nonsense. Warp and Divzer neccessarily need a secondary weapon or you wont be able survive for long. With spring, you can have good hp, agility and spam bombs. With ignis, you have some defense, very good hp, and deal good damage with mediocre mana. Strati, too. With Divzer, you NEED to switch. Every other bow is good on its own and can be held all the time.

And it's not about "every other mythic bow". You are missing the point of the argument. Not "every other mythic bow" does have that 80k avrg arrow storm. Not "every mythic bow" has this huge drawback.
And don't bring grandmother into the game. Don't.

Divzer is about a reward for skill. Spring doesnt need skill, it needs a good build for it to work good.
Grandmother, the same.
Strati, the same.

Divzer requires Skill to use, but if you have that skill, you can literally become a killing machine that cannot be stopped.

And what I did was just an explanation of how to use divzer. With spring, you dont switch. Thats just stupid. With Spring, you dont hold another slot 90% of the time. You keep your spring out. You missed the point of my explanation on how to use Divzer it seems.
(which I just realised. You pretty much missed my point of the explanation in which I tell to switch between weapons and thought about a "general explanation on how to archer", which was never my intended goal. It was an explanation on how to divzer.)

 

I'm confused because that's literally what I said

Every mythic bow outside of Az can do what you described Divzer can do
except
what you described Divzer needs is a secondary
as opposed to all the others which do not as you state yourself

That's the thing
Divzers huge drawback is its problem
And since you're arguing about how divzer compares to the other bows
It's only fair to compare them to it as well

Spring+conc to

Stunlocking requires skill.......?
Well hell if I knew this I wouldn't complain when people use skill pots
actually speaking of that Idrc anymore I just meme about it

Except I did say so
Assuming you shoot consecutively at one mob for 4 seconds straight
it should proc if you do the math
also 4 ish seconds in my world is a range of 3-5 seconds
So yes
It still does proc
Stop acting like it's impossible to proc lol
This is starting to feel like the exact opposite of arguments I have with people of why -ls on Judas really isn't a problem

How to divzer=the exact same thing of how to archer except it's almost imperative you have a secondary according to your explanation

I'm not trying to start a war but it seems I already have

can I have some please

 

Okay, since everything up until now is in vain, and I absolutely hate arguments because most of the time, neither of the parties will give in and say "you're right" or whatsoever. Arguing, and it doesn't matter if on the internet or in real life, is pointless. It doesn't even matter what or how many arguments of whatever quality you bring up. Both sides will sit on their opinion like a statue, and won't move.

And even if it is in vain, I will try and explain why Divzer is not a "completey trash weapon".

First of all. What is it's nature.
Divzer is a bow, mean't for endgame. It is a thunder mythic - mean't to deal high ammounts of damage. This is accomplished by its pretty much tight damage range. 275-275 thunder, or 335-440 thunder damage on super fast is what makes divzer a bow that deals an average ammount of 15-20k arrow bombs in most builds, with a damage range of 9-16k when using a build with 15k average bombs. It can even go up to 100k arrow storms in some builds, most will "only" have 80k-90k, though.

But that doesn't come without any drawbacks.

To balance out this huge damage, the bow gives you an agility debuff of -500 on average.
Now, there are a few ways to counter that.

1st. Go for a dexterity agility hybrid and only use divzer for attacking. Hold onto another weapon for 99% of the time, so your agility kicks in.

2nd. Go for a tanky archer. It is not the best option, but you won't get oneshot.

3rd. Don't counter. This is the worst choice, since you will always get hit and only be food to the mechs of Legendary Island.

Now, let's compare it to some other archer mythics, shall we?

Spring - a spell spamm bow, mostly used in water/agility hybrids.
You will get a very good build with this one most of the time. Really - The 10k average bombs with the 2 mana cost per bomb and 10 mana regen, in addition to 10k or more hp and a lot of agility is a good combination. However, Spring will lack in damage compared to divzer. Sure, 60k arrow storms are quite nice for you average build, but with Divzer you can get those extra 50% damage with the same result in building. Springs benefit is its spamablity. You can spam 8 10k bombs in the enemies face while not in much trouble. Or you can arrow shield and go up close for some arrow storms, putting you at a higher, but still not lethal risk because of the agility. With divzer, you need a secondary to get up close and blind the target with arrow shield. Or you can keep your distance and spam 6-7 bomb arrows in the enemies face, making for a total of 90-105k damage per wave, while also only taking up 4 seconds. (Or you can get up close, blind the enemy, and arrowshield them, making for a total of 90k damage in a matter of 2 seconds.)

Ignis - a fire damage, tanky weapon.
With up to 12k average bomb arrows, this bow burns. But in all honesty, the only 3 upsides of this bow are its hpr, hp bonus and damage. Defense on archer is not bad, but also not as effective as to decide the outcome of a cybel fight by that much of a difference. With most Ignis builds, you will get 13k average bombs with 15k or even more hp. It is a good bow, yes. But in terms of survivability, Divzer doesnt lose by that much with a Dex/Agi hybrid, easily outdamaging Ignis in the long term.

Az - not even an endgame weapon. So no use talking about it in this explanation.

Grandmother - Not even mentioning it. It is overpowered right now, and everyone knows it. Seriously, please just give it some other drawback like -Spelldamage.

Freedom - Okay I have to agree this bow has Divzer beat. It can allow good elemental defense, high agility, some defense, 70k arrow storms, 2 mana bombs with 12 manaregen, and all of that while having 13k hp. This is the perfect bow.

Stratiformis - Okay now, agility is very strong. However, if your agility fails with stratiformis in your hand, your low hp (around 10k) will most likely mean you will be oneshot. And while it's damage is pretty decent with 11k average most of the times, it still doesn't match Divzers 15k average or even 90k average arrow storms.



The Difference in playstyle is obvious: You use Divzer like warp. Every other mythic bow would be wasted if switched out for in the fight. You will lose Ignis' health bonus, Springs mana regen, or Freedoms mana regen for example. With Divzer, you have to use another playstyle, allowing you to become as "tanky" as your okayish Spring build, while dealing 100k damage in a matter of seconds up close.




And yes, this is MY OPINION of the bow, but I have already proven my opinion. I soloed LI with it, so it can't be that trashy. If you are going to say a weapon is utter trash, try using it and use your head to figure out how to use this weapon to its fullest potential first. Not just see the -agility and turn around.

With this I have stated my opinion. I have proven my opinion (Sorry, didn't record the LI run. Not sorry) and will not try to further argue with people since it is useless. Never have I heared someone say "Oh, you're right" and as this is the internet, this will stay the same forever.


And I am not trying to start a flamewar or anything. I am just a player that wants to clerify one thing about a weapon: It is not trash.

@Shots this is just a general explanation, nothing to you specifically :)

 

And this is why I'm convinced you don't get my point.

 

Cracks Knuckles
I'm joking since you stopped I'll stop

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My point is literally the exact point you made so

 

I don't "act" like it. I just tried it out again, and I even got the exact same result of which I was speaking of.
I ran up to a mob, with 2k hp less than max. I hit it 4 times, melee, which didnt give me even 1 hp back.
Okay, next mob, 4 arrows, and nothing.
Welp, if it ain't the next one, its gotta be even buggier than described.
(meanwhile, even more than 10 seconds are over)
Okay, NOW I got a lifesteal proc.


Lifesteal is bugged. And there is no telling otherwise.

And yes, this is now only an argument about lifesteal :D

 

Except saying something sucks and an explanation are something completely different.

 

Well nvm then I guess I'm going to have to contradict myself
Knuckles intesify
in all honesty though yes I see what you're saying but I had a problem with you saying it was impossible

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Except I also did explain why it sucks

I didn't downright say that's the reason why it sucks because I thought it would be pretty obvious to show it still sucks anyways because that's ~1/16 melees when it actually works and that's assuming rng lines up with math in which case it usually doesn't
as opposed to super slow which will typically proc 1/2 melees if we're going off of math and where it actually does lineup with rng

 

Except my explanation is different and about convenience, since statistically they're both as powerful as one another.

 

Yes
I assumed people would understand that statistically speaking they should be equal
but anyone who realizes how rng works will realize that it obviously doesn't work like that
hence the reason why I responded by saying that of how it sucks
Apparently that wasn't as obvious as I thought

 

So there, what we're saying is not the same. Case closed.

 

Except it pretty much is the same just worded differently but