Join The Epic Debate Of Whether Idol Or Tide Is Better

Minding that if that's the case, it's certainly a glitch which will be fixed in the future.

 

@Selvut283 you should move this to wynncraft or something like that, it has no purpose being on the trade market anymore, the item was already sold.

 

would you mind fixing the mess here : https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/crusade-sabatons-with-op-ids-buying-guardian.181213/
I don't like people arguing on my selling thread :/ as soon as you answer i'll delete this post if you want

 

It has been said before, but I'll reiterate this: 10 trials for an overall sample size leaves far too large of a margin for error to be considered a valid experiment.

Dozens, if not hundreds of trials need to be conducted and recorded for the margin of error due to random chance to be negligible. When dealing with probabilities, the more trials the better.

I'm sorry, but you simply have too little data for your findings to be accredited. Go back, do the experiment again 140 more times for each weapon, take screenshots of each and every damage output, and paste them into a single file, divided in half for each weapon. In addition, remove all other equipment and effects (armor, necklaces, rings, and potions) while testing. Also make note of the stats of the mob you're testing on, and have the experiment replicated by friends of yours. Then, and only then, will your findings be acceptable.

Don't like it? Too bad. That's how real science works.

 

Tidebinder is slow cant spam shit its annoying af

 

I've only ever experienced casting issues with Very/Super Slow, not Slow.

 

since when you play the game

 

Since nearly every day testing things regularly using slow weapons.

 

#RoastedCookies

 

I believe that Selvut was addressing the part "meant", because while it is a budget replacement it was not made for that purpose.

 

Heartache all the way

 

@Selvut283 u fixed this yes

 

Pls orange

 

Cataclysm.

 

I revise my graph and here's the result
the damage I used was the lowest and highest base dmg
I convert them into the following graph for avg dmg
also I corrected that the raw spell damage is an absolute value
so here's the new graph and equation I used for the first uppercut only
also assuming Tide is on 26% spell and 13int
while Idol is on 20int and 300 raw spell

as the revised graph, we can see that the dmg of Idol is actually not too bad due to the raw spell being a thing, the above example uses a maxed int and spell Tide while Idol is on 20/26 int and 300/325, maybe the damage of a bad Idol can be beaten by a godly Tide within a short range of water def you opponent has.
Basically Idol is still slightly, just slightly better than Tide on dmg, but damage isnt everything, Tide has Water def and 1 extra mana regen, maybe Idol needs an actual buff.

Just keep one thing in mind, the entire graph shifts to right if the build includes extra dmg buff
meaning that for no build, Tide is better than Idol for 690<WaterDef<708 assuming Idol has 300 raw spell
but for person with build
Tide will be better than Idol for 690+x < WaterDef < 708+x
where x is the extra amount needed base on the dmg
in this example of person wearing water sanc pants which has 85% water dmg buff

in this Case Tide would be better for 1014<WaterDef<1048

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If elemental defense product = raw elemental def * ( 1 + % elemental def )
-ve elemental def * [ 1 + (-ve % elemental def )] becomes -ve * ( number less than 1 )
let's say
-100 ( 1 + ( -20%) )
it becomes
-100 * 0.8 = -80
at least that's what im assuming
@motoki1 mind grabbing your polar star?

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I can confirm slow weapon is much worse at spamming
Selvut u gotta spam harder

 

@Selvut283
confirmed with motoki
the formula is actually
RawElementDef * ( 1 + PercentElementDef ) regardless of the sign
tested with this thingy

Spoiler: experiment

weapon of motoki

every hits he dealt to mobs is either 181 or 281 dmg depending if Dex activates


My Thunder Def
-265 Raw

so every hits would be either 426 or 526 dmg depending if Dex activate


Now to the important part
I hold my Tide which has -27% Thunder Def
the dmg actually reduced to 354 or 454 Dmg
according to caculation (-265 * ( 1-0.27) ) = - 204.05
my thunder def actually INCREASED due to the negative %

@Madib00 WE DID IT, IT'S CONFIRMED

 

Oh wow. :D

So does that mean that if you have over 100% negative defense, it actually makes any negative raw defense positive? Like if you had -800 raw water defense and -200% water defense, you'd have 800 positive water defense?
Or will it just stay at 0?

 

with extra testing I managed to get my raw thunder def to -520 and -115%
in this case after the subtraction of (1+%def) , my thunder def actually turned from negative to positive.... oh boi
positive 98thunder def from -520 thunder def k just k
so Tide actually benefits from the negative thunder def ... if you are using negative thunder def things

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@Madib00 your answer