Info Item Team Thread - Item/ingredient/major Id Changes, Updates & More

Damage output per sec should be about the same for a none hawkeye/ hawkeye arrow storm. Of course, this will take a lot of testing and tweaking to perfect. But in the end, when the damage is balanced out, you want people to choose nighthawk over other helm is because of the accuracy it can produce (more accuracy = more dps from far away), and maybe the nice stats nighthawk provides.

 

Hold on a minute. I think I'm illiterate, because for some reason I interpreted this change as the spell's duration being doubled. If I'm reading the changelog correctly however, it's just the RANGE that is being nerfed, and not the speed of the spell casting.

Holy shit I'm blind. Alright then, I can totally get behind a 20% damage nerf if the spell's duration isn't being reduced.

 

You make great points here that I very much agree with, but may I mention that renda is extremely valuable in EWA grimtrap builds because grim gives +1 vanish cost, which to a spell cycling assassin REALLY limits both potential dps and survivability when looking at an actual fight scenario.

With that being said, yeah i can’t really see any other use for it outside of cancelling anya’s spell cost.

 

Yeah, it's sheerly the velocity of the shots- for whatever reason, it basically had twice the range of a normal arrow storm. After this change, it will have the same range as a normal arrow storm.

 

Nighthawk being nerfed? Why? It wasn't op anyways and after that nighthawk may be dead

 

Haha, no. No, it was very OP, no it won’t be dead, just no.

 

1: It was EXTREMELY op

2: It won't be dead. Now people have the option of choosing potentially higher damage with the risk of getting close (normal storm) and more consistent lower damage while being able to stay away (nighthawk)

 

thanks for the clarification, i felt it was very needed to clear up the confusion

the funny thing is that the velocity nerf actually helps me bc i keep missing my storms on the current velocity

 

never thought I'd see people complain about a nighthawk nerf but here we are

 

bro, does nothing feel off about getting the full effect of your spell dps while sniping from out of aggro range? i have no clue how you see the sniping playstyle as a skillful one, but if thats where your issue lays, i have great news for you. getting the effects of nighthawk now requires more skill, as you need to actually be within range of the mob youre targetting

 

Freedom and nighthawk being nerfed. I'd complain about my build being killed, but this needed to happen.

In terms of nighthawk, I actually think it should also get a +first spell cost and maybe lose a little less damage, to make it better used in combos but worse as a spammable ability.

 

the number 1 mistake you're making here is that you're comparing funny block game wynncraft to a fps

 

It's important to realise that skill ceiling isn't the only factor that separates Wynncraft from CS-GO. The insights behind each playstyle differ also. An archer in one game doesn't have to resemble an archer in another game.

Hawkeye isn't intended to increase the skill ceiling. The primary alteration that it brings is superior control over arrow storm by reducing the number of shots fired and eliminating its spread. Range shouldn't be a significant side effect.

It's worth noting here that spell archers have never fit the sniper archetype that you've been describing. The sheer versatility* and damage output of archer's kit easily liberates them from long-range combat. The mobility advantage from escape helps maintain this more so by enabling an archer to pivot appropriately in combat, an ability that traditional snipers readily forgo.

* By versatility I'm referring to the fact that archer's kit can address almost every situation/enemy, which means that they don't rely on playing around any opposing playstyles in order to perform well. Traditional snipers, on the contrary, need to keep their distance and maintain good accuracy. I couldn't think of a better word to describe this, sorry about that.​

Range is much more important for melee archers. Their ability to hit enemies from a distance is essential in order to distinguish them from other melee classes, and both range and skill are necessary in order to ensure this.

As a major ID that alters a spell, Hawkeye is clearly directed towards spell archers. As established, spell archers don't carry any special relationship with range. You shouldn't lose out on a lot from the velocity nerf — if you did, you were already using the wrong playstyle to begin with.

 

Considering this is Minecraft and mobs can stop moving for over 4 seconds if they are outside their aggro range, it can be hardly compared to any game where players/entities are constantly moving. Mobs do not travel too far usually either. Those > 4 seconds are enough to land a handful of arrow storms. So yeah, it's pretty easy.

 

when will the changes be live?

 

No ETA.

 

Also, most snipers in games have high zoom scopes and heavily penalize hip-fire in some way or another in order to incentivize long range combat, and reward precision by making headshots deal more damage. Wynn doesn't have scopes or aiming down sights at all, doesn't penalize you for close range combat with Hawkeye, and physically can't reward precision like most FPSes do because mobs only have one hitbox.

 

This whole thread is just yelling about nighthawk for 9 pages

 

Fallbreakers should be upgraded to legendary so they can get the major ID or just let them have it despite being a rare.

 

Welcome to Wynn community.... oh wait yea let’s be honest ppl yells and screams at everything.