Info Item Team Thread - Item/ingredient/major Id Changes, Updates & More

Oops, I mistook that for Skien's Madness lol

I don't think even with support, heavy spell will be a viable combo outside of sets.

I'm not seeing how Ensa's Faith really pushes WFA. If anything, I'd toss it on EWF builds more often (though it works on both). It's not like it really needs a Def req, just felt a little strange.

Normally I am the first person to agree with this, but even with the defensive benefit, I do still think it doesn't have the power to make up for the health penalty.

 

This has gotta be the best buff by far out of ALL the changes

TFA tierstack is the ultimate tierstack

I don't understand why nobody has commented on this buff

 

i don't think strati can capitalise on the hp buff. there just aren't any non-helmet armor options for strati that trade hp for damage. freedom and spring can run their respective sanctuaries. divzer uses its hp to make up for missing defensive sp. there's probably helmets like anam and cumu available but they face too much competition from nighthawk. i agree with triactic here mostly.

strati has less defensive sp than freedom and basically matches that of wfa spring (post-patch), yet it's at least 2k down from both in bomb damage. freedom and wfa spring also have at least 50ws. if you want to argue that additional walk speed matters even when it's already above that, then sure. otherwise, it's arguable that strati is being overshadowed by more offensive options.

 

I do think the additional walkspeed matters, but not enough to close 2k to 3k bombs.

 

My main issue with strati is that it's always been the mythic that i've wanted, but when I was able to buy a strati it got nerfed :(. I just want it to be strong again for the nostalgia.

 

Strati is still the weakest bow (aside from az lol) but it is at least better. Personally I think that just a small buff to damage would put it in a good spot. The hp buff is a really nice addition mainly because you may be able to tank a 2nd hit if your agility fails you.

 

By the by. Jingle jangle...

 

• Sprint-focused horse set looks nice
• Snow set got cool small buff
• finally more tier support (even if it's Goblin Set lol)
• -tier on Ghostly Set! I know you don't think it's a benefit, but everyone else does.
• Nice buff to Elf Set, looking like a neat hpr set (press F for mob hpr).
• That's... an interesting change to Skien's Set.
• Jester Set could be a neat slappable loot/xp set, although getting good rolls on all the items might be tricky - they're still accessories, which means new players almost never see them.
• Saint's Set looks super gamer now
• Nice buff to Nii Set, it's really cool to see this getting some attention (other than pre-changed Shako slap)
• Kaerynn's Set looks... better, certainly. Hard to judge but it looks like it could see some use, with nice +Def sp and xp bonus.
• Cosmic Set looks cooler. If anything I might say it has too much combat power with all that mana steal, but I'm glad it's able to serve as a high xp set.
• Nice changes to Thanos Set, imo puts it in good competition.
• Black Catalyst looks like an extremely strong option, I'd want to test to check my instinct though. 20% spell damage on top of those spell costs seems like a bit too much imo. I guess it's "balanced" by Diero Lair existing, but the Grookwarts items are practically cheat codes to stronger builds so idk.
• Lifesteal and sp buff on Uth Set looks nice, I could see it getting some use now perhaps.

 

Nii set buff, saint set buff AND COSMIC SET BUFF?!?!
CRAB RAVE!

 

Running Ingredient Logs have been added!!

 

pogchamp

 

I think the lapis nerf isn't nearly enough to make it balanced. It still completely outclasses all other spell accessories.

Here's a basic lapis ring with the old ingredient.

Taking away 30x4 dura for the change brings this down to 164 dura, which is plenty for an accessory. You can also replace a lunar charm with a nose ring for more than 300 dura after the nerf with 60% max dmg. Sure, changing the lower bound makes the average roll on the accessory lower, but lapis accessories are relatively cheap to craft (can be made with molten t3, or even lower lvl if you want). People will just keep crafting for good rolls and still end up with 70%+ spell accessories with no downsides.

Lapis doesn't need to completely destroy other crafted items like naval stone. They're for different builds; TFA can have lapis and int spell can have naval. Similarly, lapis doesn't need to destroy non-crafted damage accessories by such a large amount. Even intensity still only gives 30%, and nothing else comes close. I don't think TFA and noint spell should have to rely on crafteds to do damage (especially not on a single item slapped).

Please reduce the upper bound damage on lapis (and the lower bound even more). The dura change is a start, but accessories can have relatively low dura and be completely usable. The dura decrease isn't enough to make the already meta lapis recipes any less usable, and people with good rolls will still get a free 280%+ spell boost with 0 downsides to noint spell from their 4x lapis slap.

 

Let's be real, the only reason you make these threads is to have an excuse to write the comments on the changes.

 

• large lapis large lapis (concur, not nerfed enough)
• Deep Ice Core reverted nice to see I guess
• Cursed Wings got nerfed lol, it was only usable because you could flip the high reqs
• Ocea Steel moment
• Glacial Anomaly easier req to compensate for the reduced mr I assume
• Condensed Darkness flipping nerf e (was needed)
• EotB buff seems good, it should be usable now without being OP is my guess
• press F for Leopard Blood, honestly I think it was fine considering it's a consumable ingredient
• only ms jeweling ing is now Condensed Darkness, but it's not actually a very usable ms item (not that flipping Voidstone Sample was a great idea either I suppose)
• Portal Emanation having mana regen finally makes Craftsman somewhat tolerable

 

Alright, let's go step by step here shall we

Not hard enough nerf imo. You should still be able to get 70%+ pretty easily considering how cheap it is. Be nice if max was nerfed as well as min reduced further.

For -156 dura and 45 int req, this thing had to really be packing damage to be used, which it wasn't. This, along with effectiveness abuse will hopefully get this into viability

Not bad. Less reqs is always better on ings cause effectiveness boosts.

Viability?? hmm....

Personally thought glacial was doing pretty ok, but this should make it used even more. Hopefully not too good.

Still kinda decent to flip. 500hp and 150ish spell damage is no laughing matter.

I guess you can maybe cancel the spell on 2/4s now? I'll have to do some testing.

Saw this coming a mile away. Be nice if there were more tier options in general though.

hmm, this makes condensed the only ms ingredient. Not too sure how I feel about that, especially considering getting higher amounts of ms will eek spell with darkness.

Low level Mana regen that isn't familiar essence, really cool. Personally I'd bring the req down a bit more, though. Like 12 or so.

 

These new ingredients seem neat. I will argue large lapis is fine for now. The way this shit always goes is we want something nerfed, it gets nerfed a bit, we complain, it gets nuked, we still complain.
Deep ice core might give crafted spell spears a fair chance now. I really wish that the spell and water damage could just be swapped tho (12-18 spell and 8-12 water) as that would really give a good reason to use it when creating non water spell spears.
Cursed wings seems neat. should be fun to abuse in some e/t builds...I get that when canceling reqs its a nerf but when going etw maximizing damage is most important and these things sure as hell let you do that.
Ocea steel might be viable now? I tend to get the feeling ocea steel will still not be used just because rainbow crafteds are lackluster all around. 16-20 damage in all is honestly alot (80-100 total so yeet) but rainbow support is such trash right now i doubt much will be done in terms of use.
Glacial anomaly seems like a neat and welcomed buff.
condensed darkness needed to happen....
Eye of the beast might be useful now so that's cool.
Leopard blood getting nerfed is kinda annoying to me. I suppose however it was so abuseable at perhaps it makes sense.
Voidstone sample without -ms might actually be quite useful now so yay!
Portal emanation being made another low level mana regen item is really amazing so thanks.

 

That lapis durability nerf kinda sucks to me... I crafted 3 rings with 6 of large lapis right before I saw the Running Log, and this nerf will make my newly crafted-accessories that I spent money & effort on almost completely useless(~50 durability after patch).

I'm not saying that this nerf is bad or anything, but I just hope that there could be no changes made to ingredient durabilities after they are out in the public for a long time, because like how this time the patch is going to dump my efforts and money into the garbage can. I'd much rather you guys just nerfed the damage and not the durability, so at least my accessories will still work just fine without too much problem.

Anyway, nice to see another patch on the way, can't wait for my Demon Tide pants to work, appreciate the hard works and efforts IM team, keep them up!

 

The nerf was completely necessary (large lapis TFA being completely busted after all), same with the powder nerfs of the past, etc.

Edit: I don't 100% agree with how the nerf was done, but there definitely had to be a nerf

 

Finally, a low level mana regen ingredient! Just need another mana regen ingredient around lv 60-70 ish that's not a consumable and that should be good! (I hope this one is a new ingredient though.)

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Also don't forget that this monstrosity exists:



(you don't even need t3 materials, t1 is good enough since dura degradation doesn't decrease sp for whatever reason, in addition to having negative ids degrade to near 0% at 0 dura)

 

im fairly sure -ids don't degrade at all as dura goes down :/