Info Item Team Thread - Item/ingredient/major Id Changes, Updates & More (updated 28/03/2020)

Honestly love the new mythic changes, but concerns raised by other community members in the past still dwindle. From my understanding, all of the new ids put on items are rolled at random. I personally don't appreciate the fact that a good item I've invested lots of time in has the potential to become dogshit at the hands of probability.

Despite the HERO Beta being out already and the fact that it's probably too late to make any major changes, I ask the devs to please consider the potential consequences of such radical changes to mythic items without any proper system to implement them. These kinds of changes to high-value items, especially ones that risk debasing them, are one of the major reasons why people were so divided on the Elemental Revamp in the first place.

From rolling new ids based on an item's existing mean rolls to replacing new id rolls with old ones (since lots of items are having ids removed as well as having them added), I feel that there are a few solutions to integrate new ids onto existing mythics that aren't so random.

Aside from that issue, changes look super cool. Looking forward to the update.

 

Heh. There was a great big vote on the issue, and despite this all being explicitly spelled out, ~99% of people voted for adding new IDs.

 

This. These are the reason we asked way back when about adding new IDs to mythics. Here's the thread for reference.

 

However you took into account the opinions of everyone. Game theory 101: don't balance endgame stuff around the opinions of the general playerbase. I think the new ids are pretty cool... just could have been done better. Should be asking for the opinions of people who actually own mythics and know how they (and the market) work imo but that's just me.

Also, looking at the thread, it looks like many people familiar with mythics(snap, dukio, hyco, myself), gave a thought out opinion... but they got drowned out by the lvl 90s that clicked yes for the heck of it. Just some constructive criticism on player involvement, ids look fun tho.

 

And I have seen the vote in the past. I'm pretty sure I voted no in the past, not knowing what to expect, but now that I've seen the changes that are to come, I would have voted yes for it. I've always really wanted mythics to stand out from other items, and this update is doing just that, which is great.

However, that being said, I still don't think that justifies keeping such an identification system in place. Players invest a lot of time and effort into obtaining these items, especially ones that are well-rolled. Just because we want this change doesn't mean it won't pose any problems, and I think that this is an issue that should be fixed. Even minimizing the rng involved with having new stats placed onto an item would be beneficial. It would also, at least from what I see, allow items to undertake more radical changes without spurring as much conflict within the community.

The rolling issue isn't an item problem but rather a code one, and I understand. And while I support the changes, there should still be some effort into minimizing the detriment of these changes. It's never cool when you put effort into a game, only to have it undone by something out of your control.

 

Yes pls 0.7-1.3 positive rolls too

 

Aside from the Nirvana changes which I absolutely hate I think these changes are all really really cool! Super hyped to try the new nulli

 

Warp
2nd Spell Cost Raw: 0 -> -100 (-70 to -130)

Is this meant to be raw spell cost? Because they look like values spell cost % would have
or is it really 1 mana teleports?

 

maybe it is near-infinite 0 mana TP

 

mind adding this to the original post on this thread?

 

The year is 20xx and Pure is once again the strongest wand... we've come full circle from the early days of Gavel.

 

And cataclysm is the strongest dagger again. . .

 

new mythics, incomplete means it has a spell cost id that i can't put in wynndata

Warchief: https://wynndata.tk/ci/902055543 tera 2: mythic boogaloo holy crap this looks really powerful, probably worth skipping an attack tier for and omega strong with like, gaia
Slayer (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/350747909 not really a fan of how it's use got changed up as much (with the thunder/air damage % disappearing) but also really powerful with both an attack tier and a ton of raw melee- wait are the mythic boots going to be actually insanely good options for melee i did not sign up for this
Boreal: https://wynndata.tk/ci/931896350 looking like a really nice options for wfa, but the reqs are also high enough that really high int is kinda hard to reach, i like it
Galleon: https://wynndata.tk/ci/786664045 i see the intent towards etw but imagine using this with abyss and fate's shear, new galleon is pretty nice
Crusade Sabatons: https://wynndata.tk/ci/744454018 it's just for strength, defense and health- not that it was that much different, but it feels so wrong to have strength be the main thing on crabs (also no damage lol only use it for health)

Stratiformis: https://wynndata.tk/ci/118669508 yeah damage nerf is deserved, might be a bit much but the health buff is nice so who knows
Spring (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/637409912 see it looks like a buff but it's going to have a really hard time arrow storming/shielding but very nice arrow bombs and since i don't know what the new best archer spellcycle is that could either be really good or really bad (glad the strength req is gone though)
Divzer: https://wynndata.tk/ci/703858084 let's be honest, the defense was about as obvious as it gets, divzer is back to being glassy (probably a good user of etw.. as good as etw gets haha)
Grandmother: https://wynndata.tk/ci/793097985 can't believe no hit rage gma is now the intended way to play gma (also ewf laser eyes this looks really strong lmao)
Ignis (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/370898854 slight damage and defense nerfs, but a raw hpr buff so it's probably a bit more defensive i guess
Freedom: https://wynndata.tk/ci/799144694 pretty sure that's just a simple damage buff and a big boy agi buff except now it lost its rainbow % damages uh sure i guess idk man
Az (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/429620463 hey that certainly looks like a buff, it is still az though

Inferno: https://wynndata.tk/ci/421759272 definite buff, insanely good user of efa
Nirvana: https://wynndata.tk/ci/518024007 kinda got nerfed but i heard it's gotten a really good major id so that's reasonable
Grimtrap (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/926409852 didn't really change that much but i wonder if spamming smoke bomb is actually pretty strong
Cataclysm (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/254039784 that dex req change is actually already quite big but if that spell 1 cost really means free spins we are making portals to dern with this thing holy f
Weathered: https://wynndata.tk/ci/389423589 lost a bit of damage but the mana steal and attack speed more than make up for it why are all the mythic daggers getting the big buffs also did i mention this apparently gives free vanish btw HELLO
Nullification: https://wynndata.tk/ci/294810011 praesidium is that you??

Collapse: https://wynndata.tk/ci/792346525 must hurt to be this cool but still never used
Thrundacrack: https://wynndata.tk/ci/451110650 hey general damage buffs and also apparently this will now be warscream spam weapon, cool
Idol: https://wynndata.tk/ci/230020601 i mean technically a buff but that mana regen is going fuck so many people over (also now proven to be flight spear)
Alkatraz: https://wynndata.tk/ci/507610917 ever the slightest damage nerf WAIT WHO GAVE IT 30% MELEE also rip spell alka, please remove -15 int
Guardian: https://wynndata.tk/ci/504200234 hmm give me that spell fire warrior mmm yea
Hero: https://wynndata.tk/ci/715224928 so what if we took some skill points and poured them over it and this is so cool even has walk speed buff wahoo
Apocalypse: https://wynndata.tk/ci/152740334 apoc for new meme item let's go that's a massive damage nerf and i do not care about it at all selling my trash one for 2 and a half stacks come quick lmao

Fatal: https://wynndata.tk/ci/766390993 i guess it's a bit more interesting now that it incentivizes teleporting for dmg, nice. also glad you finally balanced it to 0-420 instead of 1-420 that was really important
Warp (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/635938941 better mana, lower damage, higher heal costs, lowest teleport cost, seems about right
Singularity: https://wynndata.tk/ci/821587668 a damage nerf, about what i expec- +50 int YOU WHAT
Monster (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/281318975 cool, it's now made for actual melee which is pretty nice (too bad it's not heal monster but OK.)
Gaia (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/167182575 so we have a melee buff and near-free ice snakes. gaia stronk
Lament (incomplete): https://wynndata.tk/ci/299300974 pretty sure it's a buff, cool i guess
Pure: https://wynndata.tk/ci/793437315 good thing that base spell % got 2 more, this is really big (totally nothing about being able to cast meteor three times as fast)

i swear almost every mythic got buffed where the normal weapons got an overall nerf
but why

 

Its infinite tp

 

just to make sure +cost is bad and -cost is good right?
I wanted to make sure it is not auto inverted or something like that.

 

Yes. +Cost increases something and -cost decreases it. -1 spell 3 cost on archer reduces the cost of bomb arrow by 1.

 

It has happened, Lament has been buffed, all of my waiting has finally paid off.

 

Wondering how %cost is different from raw cost - you can currently spam like 30 1 mana cata spins just like warp tps. Is this intentional?

 

RIP Requiem being a water mage wand. Anyone has any good wands for water mages? My build got broken this update with the requiem changes .-.

 

Nepta