Info Item Team Thread - Item/ingredient/major Id Changes, Updates & More (updated 28/03/2020)

What if you had the durability cost of the plus durability ingredients set to 0 and lower the stats.
Then they would still be a durability saver, and reduce the number of items whose durability who would become 0?
Kind of like borange but not as good?

 

Got an update for y'all! =)

There's much more about mythics that are being changed, but we have more to come on that in a future update. For now, the changes only highlight lifesteal so hang tight.

 

hm yes (have i missed something or..?)

Anyway, more life steal sounds good to me, maybe Knucklebones can get some good use now (even if it also got changed, haven't tried it out yet). Atlas losing health is.. fine, I guess, rather we'd lose that than anything else.

 

same here

edit: the 275 ls was on beta-undying found a random screenshot on my phone lol

 

Just to clear things up, I'll redirect people to this quote from the main post:

Apologies for the miscommunication but we'll give some more information tomorrow. The mysterious weapons that suddenly have lifesteal won't be mysterious anymore.

 

@by2011 hey time to change pfp

 

Nice, I had a feeling health sustain would get buffed eventually. Looks like a generalized buff of +45 to +50%, alongside some miscellaneous adjustments in various places. This allows lifesteal to matter a bit more.

 

Now that I think about it, the revamp weapon designs mostly staying (likely except for the requirement and mana changes) would make sense, since the weapons weren't really a part of the revamp from the perspective of the revamp design pattern (tri-element binding, etc.).

 

As promised, some clarification and another changelog.

 

Obsidian-Framed got a -tier change?

(still reading the rest of it)

Wait... Elysium was 475 in revamp? Could have sworn it was 375.

 

Not new. Those changes to master hive items are the ones already previewed in our discussion thread about them.

 

I'm talking about the -4 tier becoming -2 tier. It was never -4 tier in released revamp info.

TL;DR for those who don't want to read the changelog - it's basically weapons getting their revamp designs, but with current-level reqs instead of revamp-level reqs. A few high req weapons had reqs lowered - the Uth weapons being the biggest one.

 

can we get a balance patch for the 4 classes please

 

new black card: can we get a balance patch for ___ please

 

ok i'll try to list all bigger (not lifesteal) changes and maybe some commentary on it
infused hive bow: https://wynndata.tk/ci/969736929 mana nerf is really all i needed from hive weapons, they're not as all powerful for spell anymore even if they're still really useful for certain elements that don't really have a good spell-based weapon
infused hive wand: https://wynndata.tk/ci/398404531
infused hive spear: https://wynndata.tk/ci/137488083
infused hive dagger: https://wynndata.tk/ci/943052721

legendaries
cluster: https://wynndata.tk/ci/729391465 not a hive bow for people that haven't done qira hive yet anymore, and also won't have the struggle of spell conversion, also just a really solid thunder bow (which we did kind of need)
gale's force: https://wynndata.tk/ci/904304535 which is just a general buff, lost dex req could make for some more usability with the new hive armors (agi req won't change a lot, spell air has high agi anyways)
alka cometflinger: https://wynndata.tk/ci/476610202 str req change is big, can now be used way more freely (and a small base dmg buff as well, nice) [str req change still big]
hellstrand: https://wynndata.tk/ci/426093719 lost thunder potential, but i guess that's fair with cluster now being thunder. mana regen is interesting, looks like a very nice fire spell bow (no water/fire option though, sad)
return to ether: https://wynndata.tk/ci/164823098 even more obvious water/air than it already was, agi req change will allow for (probably) some neat quad usage (poison rte? poison rte?) [nevermind the req change i guess]
plague: https://wynndata.tk/ci/196817605 hot damn, it was a more defensive version of hellstrand before and it now has even more utility with proper thunder support as well, i expect this to destroy with smth like anima cinderchain sine (reqs also a lot friendlier for getting high int i/o awkward high def req)
zero: https://wynndata.tk/ci/690227705 almost meaningless buff but, still really meh
torrential tide: https://wynndata.tk/ci/281600990 wasn't the best to begin with, has now lost its already very fragile endgame viability woops
thanos siege bow: https://wynndata.tk/ci/562236673 light nerf, but you weren't gonna use this anyway
spiritshock: https://wynndata.tk/ci/575178061 light buff, also more accessible which is always fun (don't know too much about lower level weapons sorry)

black: https://wynndata.tk/ci/282525955 might be a buff, might be a nerf, but the sharp extreme edges were taken off of black which means we could go for mana regen black and high damage now which is a real e moment
sitis: https://wynndata.tk/ci/283601626 mostly doing the same thing as big brother black, so i'm not really sure how- 5 extra negative walk speed? unplayable
ivory: https://wynndata.tk/ci/131938710 but why
flameshot hilt: https://wynndata.tk/ci/632756102 damage nerf, but the 60 def req means full or near full stacking might still be possble with some skill point magic even without thanos plate
thrunda ripsaw: https://wynndata.tk/ci/984453677 probably still can't compete with black BUT can be used more freely than black and than before, which might lead to some near-black damage output which is very :ok_hand:
manna: https://wynndata.tk/ci/433877107 the one mana regen is unfortunate, the slight damage buff is nice, but the str req change is huge for manna, and as such i will declare this a MANNA BUFF
alazarin (alizarin sorry): https://wynndata.tk/ci/100958593 it's now a full rainbow weapon which is fair (i'm not a fan of it but it's fair), it still has 5 powder slots though so we'll see how long it stays rainbow
brass brand: https://wynndata.tk/ci/519367472 it's a buff i think?
thanos war sword: https://wynndata.tk/ci/797025804 does what it's supposed to a bit better than before, that is all
visionary's vice: https://wynndata.tk/ci/818384425 nice and deserved damage buff imo, might make for some cool builds (even if thunder-powdered sitis exists)
rewind: https://wynndata.tk/ci/419878134 it getting reqs was completely fair (never realized it didn't have them), but otherwise overnerfed imo

tidebinder: https://wynndata.tk/ci/520282074 no longer cool 4 mr, that's gonna devalue some tidebinders (other changes don't really matter)
quinque: https://wynndata.tk/ci/108754681 what what what what WHAT this quinque is looking incredible, probably biggest buff so far and maybe even overall
harwrol: https://wynndata.tk/ci/664934001 another big buff, a big fan of it (dune storm gaming commencing..)
ignition: https://wynndata.tk/ci/676667371 just in this list for consistency, def req change might allow for some interesting builds but it's still ignition
zephra shredder: https://wynndata.tk/ci/685742745 agi req down, sounds very strong in my head.. air spear got readded? [ok 80 agi does make more sense]
bedruthan: https://wynndata.tk/ci/603674500 damage actually got nerfed (less possible water damage for that juicy +39%), but still a nice earth/water spell spear i guess
wick: https://wynndata.tk/ci/798297945 wow wick nerf.. how did this happen..
tisaun's proof: https://wynndata.tk/ci/148962644 elem revamp tisauns is back, and it just looks like a really solid melee spear
infidel: https://wynndata.tk/ci/105417235 i guess it got mana steal too easily? damage buff at least nice
proxima: https://wynndata.tk/ci/410042279 proxima buffs :)) (still rainbow tierstack, but who knows..)
rikter: https://wynndata.tk/ci/541897049 some more base damage, req lower, seems like rikter's going to be more useful than before (maybe still not much though)
thanos warhammer: https://wynndata.tk/ci/195910691 i literally do not care about thanos weapons at this point please

event horizon: https://wynndata.tk/ci/858592915 it's still event horizon, but the req changes could be really big
cascade: https://wynndata.tk/ci/358022160 higher base damages is cool, but cascade still can't compete against mobs like qira or bob (or other mobs with general high defenses)
morrowind: https://wynndata.tk/ci/371401006 we've had multiple big req changes, but this one is HUGE, morrowind is now prime quad material without losing anything else (normal builds will still have to use unravel/sagittarius, but there are now gimmicks to be had)
phoenix wing: https://wynndata.tk/ci/881859834 fire and air damage will now be the same when fully fire-powdered so that's neat (otherwise still very much phoenix wing)
peaceful rest: https://wynndata.tk/ci/591029178 minimal req changes, could be clutch with a hive armor quad (60 int req + 8 int is no longer) (that's fine though lol)
nepta floodbringer: https://wynndata.tk/ci/767490058 i'm baffled it lost 2 mana, i've already been pretty disappointed in nepta performance lately but i think peaceful rest / morrowind is almost definitely better now (also nice -100 thunder damage)
judas: https://wynndata.tk/ci/659246465 yeah that's funny, putting 2 mana steal on the wand you're never supposed to melee with (especially with the life steal change) small base damage buff is nice though i guess
faustian contract: https://wynndata.tk/ci/290158517 not sure if it'll still be possible to fully stack it, but if it is, probably one of the best melee wands now
thanos ironstaff: https://wynndata.tk/ci/688973540 maybe it's better for meteors now, but it is more defensive now so i'm not sure tbh
bismuthinite: https://wynndata.tk/ci/460485847 poison is mostly earth/thunder, bismuthinite is now much more focused on it through reqs. still, very nice buffs.

and those are the legendaries with some commentary/opinion on the changes. I'll see if i can add the rares later on (this took all day lmao), but there are definitely a few rare changes I'd like to complain talk about. (Oh, and if you find any wrong changes, please let me know, I feel like I made a few mistakes for certain)

rares
earthsky equinox: https://wynndata.tk/ci/337112994 better for tierstacking i suppose (still a bow though)
anthracite ballista: https://wynndata.tk/ci/222018845 looks really powerful now, low reqs as well
shajaea: https://wynndata.tk/ci/172542030 not quite sure i understand this nerf, shajaea already had a hard time getting good damage (health bonus on weapons only really matters on wands)
the rainmaker: https://wynndata.tk/ci/197008813 new design looks pretty good, i'll miss painmaker though
ensa's resolve: https://wynndata.tk/ci/139890645 to quote druser: "ensa's resolve got nerfed, what a meme"
arc rifle: https://wynndata.tk/ci/370376943 never used it (like many other rares), but a buff is a buff
stormcloud: https://wynndata.tk/ci/698278843 is now pure water, which is cool
voidstone lensing: https://wynndata.tk/ci/403177779 cool, a life steal buff wait
petrified horror: https://wynndata.tk/ci/643610401 i think it's a buff? never quite sure about porror though
doubt: https://wynndata.tk/ci/276810981 got a second slot, can now quake OR use courage for the more defensive side it just got, looking real nice
packet: https://wynndata.tk/ci/999640244 not sure if nerf or buff, it's still just packet though
prismatic pendulum: https://wynndata.tk/ci/297641078 not sure why it's earth/water now, but it's not very strong
comrade: https://wynndata.tk/ci/831083344 extra health and hpr is nice i guess, communism build when
thundering wind: https://wynndata.tk/ci/331560000 hey, that's a buff, neat
closure: https://wynndata.tk/ci/923196109 at this point i have no clue how good these weapons are anymore so i'll only put commentary where i actually have something to say
djinni: https://wynndata.tk/ci/187772383
tracer: https://wynndata.tk/ci/584371995
composite shooter: https://wynndata.tk/ci/364739271 hello stormcloud what's up
tundra strike: https://wynndata.tk/ci/709027736 earth/water :) (haven't tested it out yet though)
thunderlock: https://wynndata.tk/ci/226585224
sleet: https://wynndata.tk/ci/768855900
pine bow: https://wynndata.tk/ci/697530731
oktavist: https://wynndata.tk/ci/378185750 fire tierstack hehe
aersectra: https://wynndata.tk/ci/251678053
crwth: https://wynndata.tk/ci/379524488
dragonspit: https://wynndata.tk/ci/700977621
fyrespit: https://wynndata.tk/ci/221916859

blur: https://wynndata.tk/ci/216431671 neat small buff, can appreciate that
arakadicus' maw: https://wynndata.tk/ci/887587936 might be pretty good for spell now? maybe a bit of tierstacking a bit as well, looks interesting.
noble phantasm: https://wynndata.tk/ci/426849701 really sad about this change, i've always liked the way you're supposed to make it water/fire using powders (and it had decent damage), but now it's just a very standard fire weapon without much of anything.
fate's shear: https://wynndata.tk/ci/196999278 sick earth/water weapon
silver: https://wynndata.tk/ci/845835050
limbo: https://wynndata.tk/ci/696796460 even more powerful than before, plus req changes allowing more free builds, epic
nona: https://wynndata.tk/ci/829295154 melee nona will nono you pretty hard i expect, spell nona probably a bit less
voidstone esbald: https://wynndata.tk/ci/698776524 cool, a life steal buff wait
shard of sky: https://wynndata.tk/ci/392713078 damage nerf has no real reason to be honest
tsunasweep: https://wynndata.tk/ci/301986143
gibyeong: https://wynndata.tk/ci/124196375 not actually a replacement for noble phantasm but i guess it's trying its best
omega: https://wynndata.tk/ci/561448008
liquified sun: https://wynndata.tk/ci/823104455
desperation: https://wynndata.tk/ci/799017405
big arm: https://wynndata.tk/ci/951168855
darkweaver: https://wynndata.tk/ci/789433684
pyroclast: https://wynndata.tk/ci/877417794 looks like a very nice tierstack weapon (even without thanos plate)
thrice: https://wynndata.tk/ci/942721033 now with 33% less 3s
solar sword: https://wynndata.tk/ci/374069521
mountain spirit: https://wynndata.tk/ci/422649422
evergreen: https://wynndata.tk/ci/122189802
countdown: https://wynndata.tk/ci/659045491
rapier: https://wynndata.tk/ci/173641774
shale edge: https://wynndata.tk/ci/177464119
agtation: https://wynndata.tk/ci/900875499

[edit 1: fixed nepta and harwrol]
[edit 2: changed rte and uth weapons to selvut's correction]
[edit 3: added rare bows and daggers]
[edit 4: fixed gale's force, there also seem to be a few items with 0 req instead of no req; i'll fix that later]

 

I really like some of the changes like heatwave, but why is requiem getting changed?

 

You missed req change on Nepta and speed change on Harwrol.

- Torrential Tide got a net buff, wdym? Remember revamp, it was pretty okay?
- Thrunda has a nice niche now.
- Tisaun's Proof... lol
- Infidel mana nerf was warranted imo, I could see it ending up too strong
- Event Horizon req changes are huge
- Nepta... oof, hardest hit, especially with the loss of thunder powdering

 

Of note is that Return to Ether and the Uth weapons were modified slightly by mistake; RTE's requirement is not coming down, and while the Uth weapons are getting a req down, it will be from 110 to 80, not 110 to 65.

 

i cannot believe that the no powder special hybrid experience is being ignored